Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

dD I don't want to identify the person and then saying they were from a specific university. So anyone who wants to could identify them now

I think that is one level up from "Let's break that down"

We are at DEFCON 2

Talking about cancellation of the conference. CT - says it disintegrated of its own accord, speakers pulling out. BC says that was because of the activism. Let's explore that in stages.

DD: It woz Steve who knew c all this. Not me

Just found this -

www.playideas.com/25-star-wars-snacks-to-make-with-kids/

I'm pretty sure I've got marshmallows in the kitchen. Hmm....

I’m in - yay

Considering how everyone else was kind about DD and sheltered her I'm finding it fascinating how quickly she puts the blame on to Steve (not sure who Steve is)

BC: no evidence of all these objections in bundle

DD: most were by telephone

Also they go to another school, you wouldn't know them

I think Steve is Steve Tombs. He was in the video posted upthread.

Who the hell just has marshmallows hanging around uneaten in the kitchen? That is not normal

This was predicted by many posters on the last thread - MNetters are brilliant psychologists!!

DD: speakers we wanted were talking c not coming so whole purpose of conf undermined

BC: when we broke it down the sole reasons for cancelling was one speaker pulling out and two thinking of doing so

Also they go to another school, you wouldn't know them

🤣🤣🤣
Nicely done @Mmmnotsure

DD: Steve was handling this. David was following Steve's guide

Do it to Julia

Raises hand.

Have stacks of them that I've dehydrated as they give a special effect when plunked into hot drinks for those who like that sort of thing. Also good in fridge cake.

@pronounsbundlebundle I think many MNs are just used to dealing with bullying children so know the main bully never takes the blame

How do you dehydrate marshmallows?

BC - one speaker pulling out and two others might. That was the sum total of it, wasn't it? Joe Sim was very unhappy about cancelling wasn't he?
CT - we didn't tell him everything because it was in his honour

DD: we would have been putting time and resources into something we didn't want to talk about

Saying the quiet bit out loud

Agree. Psychological expertise via lived experience rather than education.... All the OU witnesses behave like children in one way or another

Exactly

That was going to be my question too! (derails thread)

I have a dehydrator. It's increasingly a popular included option on modern ovens and kitchen multi-purpose gadgets.

They reduce down in a very pleasing manner.

The reason behind the unexpectedly uneaten marshmallows is an epic story, consisting of very tricky visitors, a rain storm and the shaking of my fists to every known deity.

So DD didn't want to identify the speakers who would have pulled out but she's now told us their university and their very specific research area