Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

[ickky]

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Once this is over I will be making a complaint about the online management of this conference

Is this the first defence witness that JM has questioned? I don't remember seeing any others but I didn't get to hear PB and whoever else was up first.

Had to go to a meeting - are we on a break?

Yes, but it'll be over v soon so log on if you can

I think there was 1 previous witness who had a single 'point of clarification' followup from JM.

I had the same idea, actually. It has been pretty bad.

We shouldn't be subjected to the whims of the clerk, in this way.

Want to give witness chance to address this. Just raising this or it'll go into submissions.

So that's what a falling guillotine sounds like.

Ok we are back

I will too, it really has been bad.

All the bollocks about capacity etc. I know it is wrong as it the exact (I am using exact in it's true meaning) same server that did Allison's and Maya's which had 200 + observers and lot more shenanigans.

Having to be vetted before being allowed in, the in person people don't get that hassle. It seems designed to put people off which isn't open justice.

Next witness

SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network

I have sound but no visuals - anyone else?

BC: I'm sounding like a broken record with my qs so I'll go through them briefly

All - when this is over, I am going to make a complaint over the online management of this tribunal.p, with American. Let me have your frustrations and let's craft a group complaint.

Arse, I may have missed the logon slot.

DD: Prof Sims didn't know he was coming to speak at conf. It was a surprise.

Er. That's not how it works.

You don't just shove someone onto a stage and shout '🎉 Surprise! 🎉 You're our keynote speaker!', and they give an improptu lecture.

I did think it was an unusual gift to spring an impromptu lecture on someone.

Who is this geezer?

I know, it was beginning to sound like a episode of "This is your Life"

Thanks ickky - I missed your explanation of who is was

Shaun Daley
BC: You wrote to IF. It was unprecedented in your capacity as chair of LGBT network to write to head of faculty c research arrangement of a faculty

SD: [weasel]. Can't say it ws unprecedented. Not just me, writing for other people. We didn't know what ws happening around the GCRN. IF was point of contact for LGBT+ network.

Head of staff LGBT group, not an academic.

Not sure how many would be willing to share their names and emails, surely we’re better off doing it individually then we can cite individual difficulties, noting they were the same as TT, so they can’t say no one else had problems.

SD - I wasn't on twitter

It’s after 4pm which usually means the clerks are thin on the ground, so I am resigned to not hear this session.

SD : I ws writing on behalf of myself and Heather. Also the wider network - people calling for us to take this stance.

BC: you were aware of backlash agst GCRN on sm

SD: pause. To an extent, would have to get into details of level of awareness and when. Not active on twitter

BC: you knew JP was member of LGBT+ network.

SD: I knew she was on emails

BC: and on Yammer

SD: not sure I knew

BC: let me help you (goes to bundle)