Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Liverpool John Moore's University is a hot bed of transactivism. It is students there who have campaigned to get lecturers sacked for supposed 'transphobia'.

Amazing recall on these names.

Judge - when did you realise that you were the woefully inept and discriminatory manager that ever lived?

Paraphrased.

J: People in your dept who have GI / GC views. When did you know c anyone's GC views?

DD: I think it was in the course of conversations around these issues

I'm not writing the name on here.

OK, now I believe that the OU tried to settle with Jo, And she refused. There is no other possible explanation for this tribunal going ahead.

You mean reasonable people who can critically assess the arguments of both sides!

I am sure I read this somewhere but couldn’t remember where.

So when she said there were people in support of Jo earlier, she lied. She just said it didn't become clear until the end of academic year July 2021.

Ooo a quip

Sister - I think someone in a previous thread postulated this in a response to me evidencing sheer incredulity at how the OU would want to bare their seriously dirty Landry in public.

Judge has a lot more questions for DD than anyone else.

Go Judge!

'Handwringing" - alongside harmful, etc etc

How they would manage differing matters.

You grow the fuck up and do your job, it is not difficult.

J- How did you know there was handwringing?
DD- People were talking to me from 'both sides'
J- why was there handwringing, why couldn't it be public
DD talks about research grant bids in the future and teams

Go Ben, get the point across by referencing the page.

She's been lying again. 😂

You can't sneak anything past Ben.

A debate here on DDS understanding of twaw and sex is immutable. I think.

What did she lie about, I was in the loo

Ben laying the ground for an appeal (if needed), witness lied against her statement.

…which proves the point that debate is necessary and that the network was needed

BC to J: q arising, about when witness first aware of JP beliefs. I didn't challenge what was in WS so this arises out of response witness just gave you. Her answer is inconsistent with WS.

When she answered your q she was not being truthful, was rewriting history. On face of email she fully understood JP beliefs in March 2019 but she just said only became aware c sex being immutable etc views in July+ 2021.

Want to give witness chance to address this. Just raising this or it'll go into submissions.

Then my doorbell went.

When she first (GOT THE POINT) that sex is immutable.

@Ereshkigalangcleg
DD answered the judge that she became aware of JP's GC belief's in July 2021 and Ben pointed out in her witness statement there was an email between DD and JP in 2019 where Jo said she doesn't think TWAW and sex is immutable.

I think that is it.