Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

Proper journal publication. (so to speak)

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1350507620925633

What a two faced cow. Sympathising with JP then emails someone calling her dramatic.

More faces than a game of guess who.

In my (limited) experience, I would expect there to be a very large overlap on the Venn diagram of TRA and their allies and people who have very strong views on environmental protection & green issues ... so it is somewhat surprising to hear how regularly these people change their phones!

To be clear, I expect the diagram to have lots and lots of clear green space on one side - people who care about the environment but are not TRA - but hardly any on the other.

BC- quotes a DD email, you recognised JP must be feeling terrible
DD- yep
BC- let's go to some other emails. Quotes other email exchange in which DD says not all protesters are violent

#dehydratedmarshmallowsaremarshmallows

Does DD really not know about all the violence these activists have actually committed? There's been quite a lot.

The lack of concern about her staff's safety is surely a failure of duty of care?

BC: difference between your emails to your supervisors (poor Jo) and other emails (JP not fussed, etc). You were being two-faced

BC - you were being two faced. YES SHE WAS

BC takes DD to an email in which she says JP might be going to the media

to have witness after witness after witness sounding like participants at an Alzheimer’s sufferers tea party reflects badly on the institution, not the individuals

This is very true.

What a cowbag!

Words and deeds. In my extensive experience those who are the loudest proponents of climate policies which would harm the daily lives of the poorest in society often don't do what they're advocating for - like not flying or disposing of things unnecessarily (e.g. phones).

Again, do it to Julia.

Exactly = full agreement

BC: You had a really hostile view of JP. You thought she was being manipulative and grandstanding.

DD: I don't think that taking that bit that moment I could be hostile to her in general

BC: reads email sent to DD: I bet JP not stressed out of head but will capitalise on it. Your reply: Exactly. That's what she fails to see, the impact on colleagues.

Probably a black triangle. It worked back in the 1940's

Just wanted to highlight this.

GailBlancheViola · Today 12:50

- It beggars belief that Dr. Drake didn't know the meaning of gender critical. -

TRA logic, level of thought in a nutshell.

Yes, most of them do seem to operate a model of making it up on the fly, whilst hoping people won't realise.

DD - saying 'exactly' doesn't mean I was in full agreement with what he'd said.

Both oven and dehydrator method. In case people want an activity while WFTCHTJTM.

https://www.cravethegood.com/how-to-dehydrate-marshmallows/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PpArvtfw2IY&pp=ygUYI2RlaHlkcmF0aW5nbWFyc2htYWxsb3dz

With us cantering towards 1/2 term and halloween, I have added both mini and regular marshmallows to my Ocado order.

Should I be aiming for fairly solid cubes?

Ignore me; I'll watch the video!

So putting on a face for the boss, then backchannelling nastiness. And this is a Head of Dept?

from TT
BC: [ref] You say here that you thought JP might go to the media. You were really hostile. You think she is manipulative and grandstanding.
DD: Heat of moment. Cd have been true. Doesn't mean I didn't respect her.

BC: Another from RW. Says Jo milking it, capitalising on it, and says she must not throw Nigel under bus. You reply "exactly".
BC: You are meanwhile writing to your supervisors how much you are supporting JP.
DD: "Exactly" didn't mean I was agreeing with all of it.

1m
BC: You say JP never cares about what impact on colleagues in department, upsetting them. When she i doing legit research.
DD: More about that she's not taking account of whole community. Not hostility.

DD: Was not saying I would treat JP differently from anyone else

BC: What comes across is your attitude is that JP brought it on herself and then claimed victim.
DD: Might have felt that at times but not all the time. Many discussions. Open to many possibilities.

For me this is about the sheer arrogance of the OU staff putting all this IN WRITING. it shows how protected they felt by the institutional culture.