Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 7

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R
OU Departments & Networks:
HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
KS - Kevin Shakesheff. PVC for Research and Innovation
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21😇
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager

Witness for JP:

SE - Professor Sarah Earle, Head of the HWSRA

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far - https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Prof Jo Phoenix Witness Statement (scroll to bottom of page and download)

https://jophoenix.substack.com/p/phoenix-v-open-university?sd=pf

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Thread 3 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4917480-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-3

Thread 4 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Thread 5 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4919223-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-5

Thread 6 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4921308-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-6

I'm surprised that BC has not brought it up, it shows the have previous experience of bullying and getting people sacked/cancelled.

And is now in the HR office, collecting his P45.

Who the hell just has marshmallows hanging around uneaten in the kitchen? That is not normal

Probably just this minute taken delivery of their Tesco shopping @BernardBlacksMolluscs - not had time to unpack them, let alone eat them.

DD starting to sound combative, short and hostile now

Do they not realise that all their cancelling and no debate on this issue simply leaves the way for other research areas to be cancelled in future

Yes @ickky it's an article laying out exactly how they bully people to remove them

The real world would be a lot better off without academic groups such as this. Can we put the money towards long covid research, or a cure for cancer, please?

Everyone in the dept except Julia.

from TT
BC: You say ppl ("not Julia") wanted non-punitive way forward. Means Dr Downes did want punitive?
DD: No was not like that. Was looking for way for dept to co-exist productive way.

To be fair she only got a new phone, she didn’t go to the extreme of dropping the old one off a ferry into the depths of the North Sea …………….

Totally agree.

We have people unable to afford to put their heating on, and yet we're funding this bunch of batshit chocolate teapottery.

There seem to be a lot of people with senility of the brain in this department. Are they all very old or do they drink? 🤔

The expression 'this is problematic' should mean 'this is a problem that needs to be solved' but actually means 'I have a problem with this and I want it to go away'.

I’d drink A LOT if I had to be a true believer

I agree! Meet the 'problematic' 'rights-hoarders' at the sign of the dinosaur?

DD ricochets between using Leigh and Julia all the time, even if she is talking about events at a time when the other name is used.

DD: Poor Leigh, not sure if she could trust JP now

Vaguely wondering if the OU managed to offer staff a mahoosive discount on new phones and absinthe gummies in exchange for asserting that, unlike everyone else, they never back up their personal phones or anything that you're obliged to retain for governance purposes..

BC: Cancellation is a serious thing to happen to an academic

DD: I would think so

It beggars belief that Dr. Drake didn't know the meaning of gender critical. It simply defies logic, she's completely on the trans side and evidently knows all the support lingo, so how could she not know what she was opposed to?

Oh fuck here we go...

On to cancellation of the Essex lecture.

TRA logic, level of thought in a nutshell.

That is because we welcome all viewpoints, and don't just sit in an echo chamber refusing to countenance any other thoughts.

Please could I have the link to the article about getting an OU VC sacked/cancelled?

Some firm turning over pages there

I don’t want to derail us too much but all the talk of pronouns - along with BC and all his clients/witnesses doing an amazing job of being the only people who consistently get it right…

He’s showing that actually forcing preferred pronouns is a FOS issue. It’s the trans equivalent of expecting me to curtesy to your King, call your priest Father, recite your prayers. If the TRA community get it wrong it’s brushed over. If I get it wrong it’s offensive, it’s a hate crime, it’s literal violence.

I think we (someone) could win a case on correctly sexing someone now.