Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Finished for today. 10am start tomorrow.

That's exactly what I thought!

@chilling19 I hope you're ok.

That was truly chilling to listen to.

missed the last hour, following TT and here while trying to follow my meetings. solidarity to @chilling19, please take care of yourself.

TT commentary

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1712478678335324321.html

New thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4918479-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-4

Is there any way of complaining, as a taxpayer, about this academic and their research. The way they've gone out of their way to put women in prisons at demonstrable harm? The climate of fear they've created for GC staff and students?

It illustrates starkly that being an 'EDI' lead puts you in a position to mete out terrible discrimination.

Wow what a day Terfs! Thank you all so very much, you have been a great healing influence on this angry old woman.

BC please please please ask Downes what she thinks the impact of her statements are on GC staff / students.

This!

It's literal violence against me that I'm not watching this!

I would love to see him ask this but I am not sure it helps his case? Better to spend the time demonstrating the harm she is causing and let the panel assess the impact?

Yes, if BC's not asking it I'm sure he's right not to do so, as he is clearly brilliant at what he does (and not just in a self-identifying way). However, I would like her to answer in general and I'm sure all the GC people working and studying at OU would like her to answer that too. However maybe it's for outside this court case.

Maybe all the GC students at OU should write an open letter to Downes.... ? (kidding....I think)

I'm sure all the GC people working and studying at OU would like her to answer that too. However maybe it's for outside this court case.

Satisfying as it would be, I'm reconciled to the reality that we shall not have closure on this. Even if we were to have a Truth and Reconciliation initiative.

Remembering too that this is an Employment Tribunal about the legality of the dismissal of Prof JP. That might be narrower than the reasonableness of the opinions expressed by witnesses.

I take the general point but it's not about her dismissal - she wasn't dismissed (unless perhaps constructively dismissed - I'm not sure whether that's a concept relevant here).

From her CJ page:

This hearing is a liabilities hearing whose purpose is to make a determination of fact. In my case, did the behaviour of several of my direct colleagues and the university amount to bullying, harassment and discrimination, did the university fail to protect me, was I constructively dismissed?

Ah right, thanks!

That’s why you should always do a subject access request when the EDI political police notice you.