Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

BC: I'm not going to press q when don't get clear or direct answers. Will deal with those in submissions.

Tip of the iceberg* innit?

*sometimes also a lettuce

Gab - yes. But how did we get here? <rhetorical question>

If I were an OU witness at this point, I wouldn’t be wanting a mere support twix/dog/cup. A support fall guy maybe

I laughed a lot at that

Yes. Send out for an ally body double willing to hurl themselves between special person and reality.

Bingo! It's difficult to remember (= the realisation is slowly dawning that my argument does not stand up to questioning)

The J is definitely peaking in real time!

I noted her loaded 'Mmm'.

"A long time ago"!

I'm wondering if there was actually a briefing for witnesses

Students are paying thousands to listen to this rubbish.

I'm sure this witness went into this fully believing that she is right and that will be enough. But it isn't.

BC I'll give you a chance to reflect which translates as I'm about to show you are lying

Oh Ben, you deserved this witness, you really did after all the tribunals.

Don’t worry, she will bury that realisation as soon as she is released from the witness stand. maybe write a few tweets about transphobes and the harms they do to make herself feel better.

I can hardly bear to watch...

I'm very glad I donated to Jo's crowd finder it really has been good value based just on today (with the caveat that Jo should never have been treated like this and I just want to give her a big hug)

She's the entire trans ideology crystallised into one arrogant little moo package.

I think if I were Jo, every time I go to the toilet during a break, I would be doing a happy little jig. 😂

Is it wrong to hope that Ben really takes the gloves off now, with this witness?

I wonder if reality is dawning for DD or if they think they are doing really well

No, they need to be challenged.

Large gin for the Judge this evening as she ponders over today.

No - Ben should go for it - also synergies

Why not just admit it? It is all there in black and white, you just make yourself look foolish.

Can we put synergies on the bingo card?