Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

[ickky]

Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

Black and white again @MyLadyDisdainlsYetLiving - you must be close to a line!

Thanks @ickky I bow to your opinion as you can hear the fecker, I managed to edit my post.😁

The GCRN exist in spite of the OU, not because of the OU. IF trying to take credit on behalf of the OU for the existence of the GCRN.

Just wow to that one @Melissamelisante

😅I wasn't chastising you.

Doesn't know what 'spiked' means.

IF says that as GCRN still in existence and going well means there was no real damage. BC going through list of damage to GCRN members and the group.

IF doesn't know what spiked means in relation to articles! A discussion ensues.

IF getting stroppy. BC says you know x. IF - how would I know that? BC: well, we'll come to that.

JM provides an explanation. I think she said she's a former journalist.

marking

The overall impression is that IF considers everything under the umbrella of academic freedom and no-one was considering the OU obligation to consider the welfare (physical and mental) of ALL of it's staff, particularly when impacted by the actions and words of the other staff.

IF contrasting OU (good) to Essex (not good) in its commitment to academic freedom through all these 'hoo has'.

No I know @ickky, I'm full of covid today so bear with me, I did a silly amend to my post. It's just that you get a picture in your head of someone, and I'm having to adjust it a bit ha ha.

Who would play IF when they make the film of these famous courtroom scenes?

Seems he's relying on 'didn't do anything wrong' so heavily he risks falling into 'failed to act on obligations'. A tricky line to walk.

That's not going to hold up for much longer, hasn't he heard about Pilgrim Tucker's case against the OU? They really show up as beacons of academic freedom there.

IF - I would agree that actions of other people have had an effect on GCRN members. (IF's emphasis)
Not me guv

IF agrees actions of other people [emphasised] acting within their own FoS caused difficulties to the GCRN.

BC takes him back to policy. FoS doesn't encompass right to discriminate or harrass. OU training discrimination can inc treating others eg, in calls for boycott.

IF: they were certainly wishing to withdraw from working with GCRN

@LarkLane It's hard to say aa you can't really see them very well, just a general human shape 😀

I think Jim Broadbent would be a shoo-in to play him in the film.

Yup 😄

He’s actually much younger than I was imagining. A bit Eamonn Holmes from a few years ago goi g by his uni picture

Hoping for a break soon, I need a wee but don't want to miss anything.

Bang on. Both in looks and voice.

Break until 11.45

Ooh, looks like we're warming up for a repeat of the "if I can point you to this document that entirely undermines your last few minutes of testimony" from yesterday. 😀