Prof Jo Phoenix vs The OU - Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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Started on 2nd October at Watford Employment Tribunal (Radius House, 51 Clarendon Rd, Watford WD17 1HP 01923 281750)

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URGENT CURRENT CASE - Public Access Request - J Phoenix - The Open University - 3322700/2021

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Abbreviations

JP - Jo Phoenix, Claimant (C)
OU - The Open University, Respondent (R)
J - Regional Employment Judge Young
P - Panel or panel member
BC - Ben Cooper KC, Counsel for C
JM - Jane Mulcahy KC, Counsel for R

OU Departments & Networks:

HWSRA - Health & Wellbeing Strategic Research Area
FASS - Faculty of Arts and Social Sciences
SPC - Dept of Social Policy & Criminology
KMi - Knowledge Media Institute
GCRN - Gender Critical Research Network

OU witnesses

PB - Dr Paraskevi Boukli, Former Senior Lecturer Criminology, Deputy Head SPC 2021-22
IF - Prof Ian Fribbance Dean of FASS
DD - Dr Deborah Drake, Senior Lecturer Criminology, Head of SPC 2018-21
LD - Dr Leigh Downes, Senior Lecturer in Criminology (in SPC), Academic Lead for EDI FASS 2019-21
CT - Catherine Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
LW - Louise Westmarland, Prof of Criminology, Co-Deputy Head SPC, 2018-21, Current Head SPC
MW - Prof Marcia Wilson, Dean EDI, 2020-23
CM - Caragh Molloy, Group People Director 2019-23
JD - John Domingue, Prof of Computing Science, Director KMi, 2015-22
PK - Peter Keogh, Professor Health & Society, Member RSSH
CW - Dr Christopher Williams, Senior Lecturer History
SD - Shaun Daley, Head OU’s Resourcing Hub. Head Strategic Resources, Co-Chair OU’s LGBT+ Staff Network
HBC - Helen Bowes-Catton, Lecturer Social Research Methods
NS - Nicola Snarey, Assoc Lecturer Eng Language
NatS - Natalie Starkey, Outreach & Public Engagement Officer Sch Physical Sciences, 2019-22
CT - Cath Tomlinson, Senior Student Advisor
SJ - Samantha Jacobson, Employee Relations Case Manager
RH - Richard Holliman, Prof Engaged Research, Head School Environment, Earth & Ecosystem Sciences, 2019-22. Member of Investigation Panel investigating the C’s grievance

Witness for JP:

SE - Sarah Earle, Professor Modern History Uni of Oxford, Founding member GCRN

Tribunal Tweets - https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets

TT coverage so far https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/professor-jo-phoenix-v-the-open-university

Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4905118-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-2nd-october-whispers-ben-cooper?page=1

Thread 2
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4913946-prof-jo-phoenix-vs-the-ou-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

They went back in around 3.50pm

This betrayer of women talks about prisons and research on prisons. KJK's Let Women Speak has actually given a voice to real women (former) prisoner who had a coil fitted as she was so scared of rape by transwomen rapists in her prison.

How DARE Downes speak for these women. Downes doesn't even identify with their reality!

I've always been against cancellation but bloody hell Downes is sorely testing this - actively harming the most vulnerable women in society with her wankery.

Money where mouth is Downes - go and stay in the cell next to Barbie Kardashian for a month and then let us know if you stand by your statements.

Back on the pitch!

Ooh, Stephen Whittle's name crops up.

BC: JP told mtg about cancellation at Essex. Big deal for an academic. Met with silence. Then everyone talked about LD and congratulated her on her project.

LD was working with Stephen Whittle

BC is using his 'talking to toddlers' voice now 😂

Funny how she can only remember the bits that put her in a good light. Not credible.

BC: You are not a little voice in the dept. Close to HoD. DDrake offloading to you c JP's decisions and actions.

Gosh, evidence in writing that LD and DD were having lots of chats about JP.

She's a vile handmaiden.

So Deb Drake complained about JP to LD. That is really unprofessional.

To be fair it depends what was said. I complain about my colleagues a lot - but I don't try to get them cancelled

Yes, but if you are HOD, you do not complain about another member of staff.

If I was complaining about a colleague to other colleagues I'd be hauled over hot coals.

Head of Department complaining to another colleague should be career ending levels of unprofessionalism.

Bitch at home to your partner, talk to someone in HR, not this.

Now talking about the impact of Jo saying sex is real on staff and students who want to live in a fantasy alternate reality. No discussion of the impact of gender ideology taking over a whole department on staff and students who believe there are two sexes in humans (and that it matters) ?!!

Oh I didn't realise that I thought they were both lecturing staff not HoD. That is unacceptable

BC: Yet again, you are not engaging with JP re issues, but writing in a faculty capacity to others that JP actions create hostile environment and you'd be willing to be involved in action re this.

LD: No. I was feeling uncomfortable and distressed and raising how this creates hostile environ for t staff and students.

BC: JP GC statements has no impact on OU work environ

LD: I disagree

I do look forward to BC cross-examining Dr Drake on her cosy chats LD.

LD: Having a senior prof calling for disafilliation with SW could have had a negative impact on t working staff

BC: You isolated and ignored JP at work. You had the majority on your side and they joined in.

LD: No

Oh yes, that will be worth watching.

Good, he's pointed out that it's Downes stoking up manufactured fear on the basis of lies (more or less). As there's nothing to be frightened of in what jo's actually said, as previously established.

BC please please please ask Downes what she thinks the impact of her statements are on GC staff / students.

As EDI lead how did you ensure GC staff were supported and not made uncomfortable by staff and colleagues expressing their GI views.

I hear Dr Dre every time they say Dr Drake.

@ickky time for a new thread soon?

LD - leafing thru bundle for page 'I think I've gone too far...'

Indeed.

Start at 10 tomoz.