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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MargotBamborough · 18/05/2023 14:49

Christ, I lost the will to live after two paragraphs.

Toseland · 18/05/2023 16:08

Lol - yeah transwomen, where are you in standing up for women?!

StephanieSuperpowers · 18/05/2023 16:26

It's an example of you don't have to be stupid...what's the point of writing an article about something you haven't bothered to understand?

ArabeIIaScott · 18/05/2023 16:28

A terf is anyone who says Andrew Miller is a man.

Anyone who says Isla Bryson is a man.

Anyone who says Katie Dolatowski is a man.

AutumnCrow · 18/05/2023 16:30

Line one: 'folks'.

jellyfrizz · 18/05/2023 16:32

"Forstater has since been revered by TERFs as a truth-telling cis woman persecuted for her free speech."

I'm fairly sure Maya Forstater would not describe herself as cis. Misgendering - tut, tut.

CreateaUsername27 · 18/05/2023 16:35

Forstater has since claimed that trans children typically outgrow their “gender distress,” which is caused by “stirrings of same-sex attraction, undiagnosed autistic-spectrum disorder, trauma from sexual abuse and, for many teenage girls, living in a sexist, porn-saturated world.” Similar arguments have been used to justify the denial of trans children’s gender identities and their access to gender-affirming healthcare.

Not biased at all are they in their summary!
If Maya is correct and there are good reasons not to medicalise children then it would be her who is fighting for 'trans' children to be not subjected to experimental and unsafe medical treatment and trans lobby groups who are harming their own.

MargotBamborough · 18/05/2023 16:35

I'm fairly sure no "TERFs" would call Maya Forstater "cis", given that we don't believe any such thing exists.

She has been persecuted for telling the truth though, so that much is accurate at least.

I find the tone of this article really revolting. You can just imagine the kind of po-faced, sanctimonious, professional offence taker who wrote it. The kind of person most normal people would cross the street to avoid. If you got stuck next to them at a birthday dinner you'd be praying for the grim reaper to come and take you now and wondering where you'd gone wrong in life to end up having a friend in common with this annoying prick.

Newyeardietstartstomorrow · 18/05/2023 16:38

Christ, I lost the will to live after two paragraphs. oh me too. I'll wear my TERF badge proudly.

AlisonDonut · 18/05/2023 16:47

TERFs are females that believe in the existence of biological sex.

Really fucking simple you grievance harvesting gender wibbler.

OhcantthInkofaname · 18/05/2023 17:03

This^ And that's me! Biologically there are males and females. Nowhere in that statement does it say that we can't treat other people with respect. However that does not mean biological males, who believe they are psychological females, have the right to all female spaces. **

FemaleAndLearning · 18/05/2023 17:06

I've started spelling terf in lower case. If we are going to own the word let's make it a word not an abbreviation.
A terf is anyone who believes in the sex based rights of women and girls.
Suffragists got called suffragettes as a slur and they totally owned it.

ArabeIIaScott · 18/05/2023 17:08

AlisonDonut · 18/05/2023 16:47

TERFs are females that believe in the existence of biological sex.

Really fucking simple you grievance harvesting gender wibbler.

Don't hold back, Alison, you can speak your mind here. 😁

EmmelinePankhurstWeNeedYouNow · 18/05/2023 17:12

The last paragraph 😂

”Because of this, it’s important to educate people about the flaws in TERF ideology and to encourage critical thinking…”

ArabeIIaScott · 18/05/2023 17:16

EmmelinePankhurstWeNeedYouNow · 18/05/2023 17:12

The last paragraph 😂

”Because of this, it’s important to educate people about the flaws in TERF ideology and to encourage critical thinking…”

Is it, aye?

Fucking twonks.

Justme56 · 18/05/2023 17:18

Terf isn’t a slur because to be a slur it must be based on some sort of ‘inborn property’ like gender? But I thought gender was socially constructed?

Justme56 · 18/05/2023 17:20

Just to add the linguist McReady who suggests it isn’t a slur is a TW.

ZeldaFighter · 18/05/2023 17:28

I am 50 next year. I have voted Labour in every general election since I could in 1992. I support gay rights, am profoundly anti-racist, support disability rights and was in favour of marriage equality.

Does anyone ever wonder why, after nearly half a century of being a progressive Liberal, I've decided to become a Nazi and a terf? Does anyone ever wonder why hundreds, thousands? of progressive women have stopped supporting "trans rights"? Do they ever wonder what made us change our minds?

StephanieSuperpowers · 18/05/2023 17:39

We've just turned into terrible people for incomprehensible reasons.

EmmelinePankhurstWeNeedYouNow · 18/05/2023 17:44

I hear you @ZeldaFighter.

Completely agree.

To my mind, disability rights and gay rights were looking for equal rights to others in society.

But trans rights seems to be about eroding someone else’s rights - women’s sex-based rights. And because of the patriarchy the attitude of our male overlords seems to be ‘suck it up buttercups’.

trebarwith1 · 18/05/2023 17:53

There is a really good podcast on the culture wars and where the term TERF came from. Its on bbc sounds, episode 4 I think.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 18/05/2023 17:56
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Twit

EmmelinePankhurstWeNeedYouNow · 18/05/2023 18:03

@ArabeIIaScott the word chicanery in that ‘article’ was something else! 😂

And the ‘critical thinking’ line when TRA’s regularly hold up signs saying ‘we are not a debate’ or ‘TWAW’ was just hilarious.

I’ve only recently woken up and seen the logical conclusion of the ‘TWAW’ mantra (for which I’m sorry).

EmmelinePankhurstWeNeedYouNow · 18/05/2023 18:06

trebarwith1 · 18/05/2023 17:53

There is a really good podcast on the culture wars and where the term TERF came from. Its on bbc sounds, episode 4 I think.

Thanks - will take a look.

I’m pretty new to this and (if you’ve watched Highlander - showing my age now 😂) I’m going through The Quickening.