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Haldane judgement appeal

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EdinburghName · 27/04/2023 17:42

Sorry if there's already a thread that I missed, but I haven't seen one. FWS are appealing the Haldane judgement (the one that put "legal sex" where we'd really expect and want "sex"). I just donated: you might want to too. Can't post the link here but if you Google

crowdjustice equality act sex biological

you'll find it.

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Signalbox · 28/04/2023 14:50

ArabeIIaScott · 28/04/2023 14:36

Crikey, it's all happening at once, isn't it?

If only the government would do the right thing and make an amendment to the EA to say that sex mean biological sex it would save so much time and money. Presumably they're hoping the courts will make the decision for them so that it is judges and not the government that are accused of genocide.

BellaAmorosa · 28/04/2023 17:37

BetsyM00 · 28/04/2023 09:51

"for all purposes" trans women are women unless the situation it one that is covered by the EA exemptions

But the exceptions simply cannot work at all if woman is "legal sex" and not biological sex. As Michael Foran and others have pointed out there is no way to limit any service or space to bio women if they are not a protected characteristic in the Equality Act.

The exceptions allow provision of a single-sex service where it is a legitimate aim, where, if sex is legal sex, it means a single-legal-sex service. So a woman-only service under the exceptions must cover, by definition, bio women (except those with a GRC saying they are men) plus bio men with a GRC saying they are women.

And it would also make a nonsense of the the protected characteristic of pregnancy and maternity which would apply to the legally female people (who cannot gestate) but not the legally male people (who can). It's not just the exceptions concerned with sex discrimination, it's this protected characteristic as well. That cannot have been what the original legislators intended, either.

ArabeIIaScott · 28/04/2023 17:39

Absolutely, Bella. That was one of the points made by the EHRC.

BetsyM00 · 28/04/2023 19:47

...who pinched all the points made by FWS's KC at the judicial review hearing, despite arguing against them at the time. I wonder if the EHRC will come in the case this time?

Boiledbeetle · 28/04/2023 19:48

Just checked and they are a quarter of the way there. £30,000 still to get.

BetsyM00 · 28/04/2023 19:52
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25% of the target in just over 24 hours.

Boiledbeetle · 28/04/2023 19:58

BetsyM00 · 28/04/2023 19:52

25% of the target in just over 24 hours.

Lets hope it keeps going up!!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/04/2023 08:59

just seen this and will be planting some carrots later. this is an important one i think

wombridgewalkabout · 29/04/2023 09:01

Thanks. That was an absolutely crazy judgement. It assumed the law makers at the time could see ahead to this crazy ideology and so their law making can be interpreted through that lens.

Will donate.

Boiledbeetle · 01/05/2023 00:08

Current total is £12,076

dcbc1234 · 01/05/2023 00:24

ArabeIIaScott · 27/04/2023 19:33

Comment on the crowdfunder:

'The judgement is plainly questionable and requires to be revisited. I am angry that, once again, private funding is required to do this, while Scottish Government finances lobbyists to tell them what they want to hear.'

Couldn't agree more.

Just donated. Yes I am also sick of having to fund these cases which shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Seems incredible that Lady Haldane has chosen (as a person of her age and sex) to forget that until a few years ago everyone regarded sex and gender as interchangeable words meaning 'biological sex'. The protected characteristics are clearly listed and Stonewall et al (including Keir Starmer) have chosen to wilfully misinterpret them.

Boiledbeetle · 02/05/2023 18:43

Current total is £13,591 and 24 days to go.

Boiledbeetle · 05/05/2023 14:00

£14,906 currently with 21 days left to reach £40,000

ArabeIIaScott · 05/05/2023 14:04

Thanks, beetle.

JanesLittleGirl · 05/05/2023 16:50

Boiledbeetle · 05/05/2023 14:00

£14,906 currently with 21 days left to reach £40,000

Back into the garden then

Hepwo · 05/05/2023 22:13

I've donated despite being fed up of paying for the bleeding obvious.

The lawyers insistent on telling us that women should not exist legally unless it includes men are....well words fail me, exactly as they have ensured they fail women.

It's all so sexist and of a time that has now passed. My message to those living with an identity, get men to accept what you want to do with your life and leave women alone.

WaterThyme · 06/05/2023 08:12

I donated. Well done ForWomen Scotland. The Haldane judgment must not stand

Boiledbeetle · 06/05/2023 22:28

£15,395 and 20 days to go.

JanesLittleGirl · 06/05/2023 22:59

Boiledbeetle · 06/05/2023 22:28

£15,395 and 20 days to go.

Is £40k a hard line? I'd hate to see it fail for a few thousands.

Boiledbeetle · 06/05/2023 23:03

JanesLittleGirl · 06/05/2023 22:59

Is £40k a hard line? I'd hate to see it fail for a few thousands.

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It seems to be, see below, if it's not hit them none of the money is taken from peoples cards.

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Boiledbeetle · 08/05/2023 11:27

Currently a nice tidy number, see below screenshot, but still another £24,000 to go.

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ChristinaXYZ · 08/05/2023 17:30

Thank OP!

InvisibleDragon · 08/05/2023 18:50

Lovely to get out in the garden on a bank holiday weekend...

ArabeIIaScott · 09/05/2023 08:49

They need £24k in 18 days ...

Boiledbeetle · 09/05/2023 18:19

£16,980 current total. And 17 days to go (the noon deadline is playing havoc with which day we are on)

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