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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

FOJN · 24/03/2023 09:02

There is another link within that post to a substack article which presents the available data on trans youth in NZ. It's long but worth reading. It seems to be quite easy for minors to obtain puberty blockers and cross sex hormones but harder to get surgery. It's difficult to draw conclusions because the data collection is inconsistent and incomplete but it does evidence some of the worrying practices which accompany an affirmation only model.

argumentswithfriends.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-trans-in-new-zealand

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DedicatedGroup · 31/03/2023 10:58

Trying to bump this. While what happened in Auckland is terrible, it's amazing the way it's blown up the conversation in NZ about gender critical feminism and women's rights. But the situation is really desperate with the transing of kids - from what we can tell, NZ doctors are handing out puberty blockers at 10x the rate of the UK. Please share this article with friends and rellies in NZ - people have no idea.

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DedicatedGroup · 31/03/2023 11:00

"Last year, under cover of the conversion therapy bill, the gender affirming care model was enshrined in law as the only clinically acceptable approach to treating young people who identify as trans. While it has not yet been tested in law, it is now essentially illegal not to immediately “affirm” that a young person is the opposite sex if they tell you so. It is illegal to be curious, to say “let’s hold off for a while and explore why you feel the need to think that.” It’s transphobic, you see

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DedicatedGroup · 31/03/2023 11:00

"In New Zealand we have adopted an extreme form of gender affirming care. Young people over the age of 16 don’t even have to have gender dysphoria to receive cross sex hormones and surgeries, it is enough for them to merely identify as trans because it is no longer classified as a mental health problem – that is pathologising and transphobic.

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DedicatedGroup · 31/03/2023 11:01

"In New Zealand, 16 year olds are able to start on cross sex hormones without their parents’ knowledge or consent if they refuse to “affirm” their child’s gender identity (and in “exceptional circumstances” even under 16). Parents are evaluated in struggle sessions with ideologue psychologists, and if they refuse to submit they are shut out of the clinical conversation. More often than not, these parents just believe that the denial of material reality cannot be a healthy response to their child’s misery, or just want to give them time to grow up before going down such a drastic road, or think (with growing evidence) that kids are doing it because their friends are. But after a literal tick-box GP referral, teenagers can go down to your local hospital and get chemically sterilised after three appointments with a gender affirming clinical psychologist, who then refers them to an endocrinologist for medical assessment and prescription. That is it."

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RudsyFarmer · 31/03/2023 11:02

They’ll be a lot of people making money which is why this is being allowed to happen. Follow the money and the answer is always there.

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DedicatedGroup · 31/03/2023 11:18

The website this article is published on was set up by some retired right wing politicians and hosts some pretty un-PC opinions, but the author comes across as a frustrated left winger who couldn't find a voice anywhere else, like so many other GCs.

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