Two assaults by trans women in Scottish prisons over eight years

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Only two as they put it in the Times article, against "non-trans women":

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a01d5b2e-4fc5-11ed-af60-3f894fe60060?shareToken=2b1e85232728574f430398bc675ddd3a

Only two, such a trifling thing, honestly we don't know why you people get so het up about female prisoners, they are bad bad non-trans-women otherwise why would they be banged up. eh eh?

/sarcasm

But that's only 1/4 of an assault a year..

There were 11 sexual assaults on transgender inmates in 2020 alone.

I agree we should have single sex spaces and this is obviously something that needs addressing but it isn't the trauma olympics. Bad people do bad things. That's why they're in prison.

There were 11 sexual assaults on transgender inmates in 2020 alone.

In what country?

Also, it would be good to know how many trans inmates have actually been in Scottish prisons since 2014. The MOD did a similar dodge with UK wide stats- they said there were 10 assaults since 2009-2019, when transwomen were only allowed in womens’ prisons from 2016 and only in significant numbers from 2018.

Presumably that's only 2 reported assaults. If it's anything like the outside world I wonder what number of assaults go unreported.

By women?

Interestingly they’ve chosen to report it as in 8 years. But actually the assaults were in 2019 and 2022. So that’s 2 in 4 years. Interesting the Scottish government chose the longest possible time frame there…

There aren’t actually that many female prisoners in Scotland either.

Also, turns out there are only 5 transgender women in women’s prisons in Scotland. So that 2022 assault represents 20% of the population.

Pick the stat of your choice there. The Scottish government went with one 2 assaults on ‘non trans women’ in 8 years. They didn’t go with 1/5 of trans women prisoners in the female estate assaulted the women prisoners they were housed with in 2022.

Wonder why that is?

This is a clear example of why not providing any context to a stat / figure makes it absolutely useless and unworthy of reporting.

However those who lack any ability to critically analyse will take it at face value. Im
sure that is the intention when they choose to report in a certain way.

2 in 8 years seems good (not good! But you know, not a huge flag as the TERFS would have you believe) whereas assaults committed by 20% of the trans prison population is very different picture isn’t it.

I’m not sure either stat is hugely reliable. But it does nicely illustrate the lies, damn lies and statistics thing. 🤣

How does that compare proportionally to assaults within the male population as a whole? Within the vulnerable male population?

Can we have a link to supporting evidence of that claim pasta?

Thanks in advance.

The 11 is relating to stats from England and Wales. A quick google suggests that at the time there were around 80k prisoners in the male estate in these countries. To be honest I’m not sure if the assaults were on 11 different people or possibly a few prisoners were assaulted more than once.

ONLY TWO WOMEN LOCKED UP WI MALES AND ASSAULTED I CALL THAT VINDIFICATION OF SCOTLANDS PROGRESSIVE POLICIES

'Bad people do bad things' is a really shitty take on why anyone is in prison, but particularly women.

This from 21 May 2020'
''Eleven transgender inmates sexually assaulted in male prisons last year''

''Last week, ministers revealed that out of 124 sexual assaults in five women's jails over the previous nine years, from 2010 to 2018, seven had been carried out by trans prisoners.''
www.bbc.com/news/uk-52748117

''In a statement, Stonewall...said the figures showed transgender prisoners faced a "high risk of assault, harassment and violence".
Whereas women also face a risk of pregnancy after an assault by a male.

''Last week, ministers revealed that out of 124 sexual assaults in five women's jails over the previous nine years, from 2010 to 2018, seven had been carried out by trans prisoners.''

Necessary context:

Male-born trans prisoners were first allowed to request a transfer to women's jails in England and Wales in 2016

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9819631/amp/I-sexually-assaulted-womens-prison-fellow-inmate-male-genitalia.html

Am I correct in thinking that the Prison Service counts anyone with a GRC as their new gender? If so would an assault by a trans woman with a GRC be counted as female on female assault, and therefore not recorded in these statistics?

Thank you to everyone who has provided links/explanations there.

Harms to vulnerable women in prison cone in many forms when they are compelled to share with trans women. For instance, ever thought how utterly awful it must be to be compelled to shower with a rapist like Karen White?

Here is a very good video about it from Rhona Hotchkiss, ex prison governor...

Once this route has been gone down, the stats are absolutely meaningless. We don't always know whether they are reporting factually anymore.

I heard on the radio a few weeks ago that a woman had been the first woman to win some horseracing medal. My first thought was 'so what'? because nowadays you don't know whether that is a woman (in which case big news!) or a man (in which case just another win for a male person). It is not OK for language to be obfuscated such that it's rendered meaningless.

Only two? Don’t know what you wimmin are getting het up about.
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