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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Two gender-critical articles in the Graun!

19 replies

smithsinarazz · 28/06/2022 19:28

To be fair, both of these authors have written some excellent pieces before now. But good for them - we know, I think, how much tantrumming they must have endured.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/28/erase-biological-definition-sex-gender-self-identification-trans-transgender-feminist-case

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/26/women-must-be-allowed-to-defend-abortion-as-a-sex-based-right

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 28/06/2022 19:38

It's wretched that I'm surprised that these have been published there.

JanisMoplin · 28/06/2022 19:38

Looking out the window for flying pigs

SpinningTheSeedsOfLove · 28/06/2022 19:42

The 2nd one is from the Observer but DEAR LORD ALMIGHTY the 1st one is indeed from the Graun today <faints clean away onto the chaise longue on the chaise longue>

Will OJ have to resign now no of course he won't

SummerPuddings · 28/06/2022 19:56

👏👏👏

Roseglen84 · 28/06/2022 20:00

Hmm, I wonder if they are starting to realise that they are losing money, and newspapers who are covering this like the Times are gaining...

ElephantsFart · 28/06/2022 20:09

Roseglen84 · 28/06/2022 20:00

Hmm, I wonder if they are starting to realise that they are losing money, and newspapers who are covering this like the Times are gaining...

I really hope so. Two good articles.

McDuffy · 28/06/2022 20:13

There was one in the sports section that I didn't click on but was probably included for balance.

PonyPatter44 · 28/06/2022 20:19

I am amazed that the first article made it into the Graun. Is the tide really starting to turn?

Articles like really help to shine a light on how much of a Western luxury belief trans ideology is. Women in Afghanistan can't just identify out of being women and go back to school. East African girls can't identify out of undergoing FGM. Women in war zones around the world can't identify out of being the victims of rape by invading soldiers. Saudi women can't identify into driving themselves around. American women can't identify out of the risk of conception and unwanted pregnancy.

These are real womens issues. Messing about centring men in womens issues neglects the real and pressing issues facing women in this country and internationally.

WarriorN · 28/06/2022 20:20

Both are sheros, unfortunately Susanna's is under "comment is free" (I think freedom of speech nod - but I'm impressed it's got in and excellent article!

Sodah writes for (and edits?) the observer on Sunday, so not at all surprised she's written a cracker there.

It's good more are moving to the apps though as you wouldn't really know it's the observer...

Floisme · 28/06/2022 20:20

Susanna Rustin has written about this before in the Graun - good to see,

diningiswest · 28/06/2022 20:20

The one in the sports section is so full of non-sequiturs as to be absurd

WarriorN · 28/06/2022 20:20

I suspect they know they're fucked.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/06/2022 20:21

Susanna Rustin is a very good leader writer from them and (so far) hasn't been bullied off the paper by the aggressive trans lobby.

Maybe the Guardian are creeping back to becoming an ethical news source?

moofolk · 28/06/2022 20:48

Puuuullllll

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 28/06/2022 20:58

Brilliant. I see Owen Jones hasn’t tweeted about it yet… and is still writing for the Guardian despite their terrible transphobia?

eurochick · 29/06/2022 07:31

Has the penny finally dropped on where the erosion of women as a biological class takes us?

Cuck00soup · 29/06/2022 08:13

Especially pleased to see this from a leader writer.

ElephantsFart · 29/06/2022 08:59

eurochick · 29/06/2022 07:31

Has the penny finally dropped on where the erosion of women as a biological class takes us?

Maybe the Roe Vs Wade rollback has made the situation clearer for some people. No one. can identify out of their female biology to avoid an unwanted pregnancy.

SoFasrus · 01/09/2022 15:01

hope so

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