For Women Scotland complain about the word "cis"

[Cismyfatarse]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cis-is-an-offensive-term-for-women-feminists-tell-msps-rdjk6t558?shareToken=ff73a42e4c8c4188372b0e0bb32e8d2a

The fabulous For Women Scotland articulate what so many of us feel about this offensive, regressive term. I suspect the parliament will ignore them - even the women there prioritise the needs of men - but what a letter!!!

This, on top of the win in the Gender Recognition case, protecting women from having transwomen included in their numbers on public boards via self ID.

Fabulous women. More plans are, no doubt, afoot.

Well done For Women, and good to hear there's a Labour MSP who rejects cis.

Let's hope that with the forstrarter judgement being quoted the presiding officer will take the complaint seriously this time

Thank you, FWS. Unfortunately this will be ignored; as we all know it's only some special people's feelings that matter.

Good for FWS

Given the recent influx of visitors who use cis with abandon even though it’s stated in the guidelines here that it’s not condusive to civil debate, wondering whether we should just start reporting it whenever it’s used. I know generally we don’t like to report but when ppl are asked nicely several times not to use it and they plough on regardless, I tend to work on the basis they’re not debating in good faith anyway

Generally true, eyeballs. Visitors to this board who persist in using 'cis' even after women have asked them to stop are not in good faith.

when the board is seeping in blanketly applied drastic designations for trans women (agp and the like), then one can easily forget that "c** is a slur" (needs a rolls eyes icon here)

The double standards as always are front and centre.

Uber respect for this group; that group should be derided for rejecting the label they don't identify with, object to, does not match their beliefs and feelings (but serves the other group.)

Yeah, no. Either everyone gets equality of say and respect in their language, or we all just use the language we choose and we all get to deal with hearing words we don't like. Pick one.

then maybe the group should also refrain from screaming "bloke" and "agp" at every trans woman, it's like a reflex and not remotely ok. It's not like I don't remember the "nnce" and "pedo" screams at my LG siblings.

Same vibes.

CatherinaJTV Then maybe the group should also refrain from screaming "bloke" and "agp" at every trans woman, it's like a reflex and not remotely ok. It's not like I don't remember the "nnce" and "pedo" screams at my LG siblings.

Gosh I must have missed FWS 'screaming' at transwomen, when did that happen?

That would be no one here @CatherinaJTV.
Bt you know that. Carry on slinging your mud. It isn't sticking and you are losing the argument.

mobile.twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1505596831484493824

Labour Party delegate complaining about this at women's conference.

So if we use the 'cis' terminology (which I detest), what are the young people in Afghanistan called who are currently not allowed to go to school? Cisgender girls? But we have no idea how they would identify if they were told about the concept! And we are also told that the cisgender group is the more privileged one, so is that the case in all places?

forwomen.scot/21/03/2022/letter-to-presiding-officer/

@CatherinaJTV

then maybe the group should also refrain from screaming "bloke" and "agp" at every trans woman, it's like a reflex and not remotely ok. It's not like I don't remember the "nnce" and "pedo" screams at my LG siblings.

Same vibes.

Crikey! When did they do that?

Receipts or an apology for the, erm, error?!?!

Hey @CatherinaJTV care to condone the TRAs outside the Womans Place meeting in Manchester yesterday? Your lot seem to have cornered the market in piss poor behaviour. Thought not. Your silence, as ever, is telling.

@Apollo441

Hey *@CatherinaJTV* care to condone the TRAs outside the Womans Place meeting in Manchester yesterday? Your lot seem to have cornered the market in piss poor behaviour. Thought not. Your silence, as ever, is telling.

What happened?

CatherinaJTV

Oh dear. Do we need to recount all the things that protestors have said, done and written on their placards and on pavements in support of trans rights? The list is long and growing every week.

While you find calling someone a ‘man’ when they are male on par with calling someone a ‘n*nce’, it shows a great deal of readers the lack of proportionality in any of your arguments. And how the world has become completely upturned to protect the sensibilities of of loud and small group of extremists. Who don’t seem to be representative of the trans community.

Please keep going catharina. Have you ever thought about the trans people who don’t agree with many of the things you write here as something supposedly supporting that community?

Or are they the wrong ‘type’ of trans people?

What happened?

About 150 protesters stood out front of the Woman’s Place conference protesting drowning out women speaking about women’s sport, an inspirational women speaking about her need for single sex spaces from her experience as a refugee, her experiences with things like FGM. That kind of thing.

That is the kind of discussion they are trying to stop.

This -

"Stephen Knight 🔊 📺 🇺🇦 on Twitter: "This is the crowd outside the venue. I'm not sure what they think is going on inside, but so far I've only heard a talk on the importance of single sex spaces and why sport must be fair. #WPUKManchester t.co/9h1yqNJWPW" / Twitter" mobile.twitter.com/GSpellchecker/status/1507089065350516748

when the board is seeping in blanketly applied drastic designations for trans women (agp and the like), then one can easily forget that "c is a slur" (needs a rolls eyes icon here)

A purely factual term for transpeople merits an immediate deletion here. I saw a poster have a post mentioning it (not at any one person in particular but as a general point) and it was deleted almost immediately.

An influx of new posters (and some older ones who are perfectly aware of the feelings about the slur cis here) are deliberately and continually using the term and despite that clearly not being conducive to civil debate, their posts are allowed to stand.

And cis is a slur. Much like terf. You may be determined to make other people follow your belief system but we're saying no.

FWS are absolute heroes and as a Scottish woman, I am very grateful to them.

"Annette Wright on Twitter: "@lrclatworthy No need, I've seen it now. This should not have happened at all and needs to be investigated." / Twitter" mobile.twitter.com/AnnetteWright/status/1507095491049406466

Thread here www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4513140-Women-are-still-not-allowed-to-gather-and-speak