If women cannot be defined biologically what happens to sex based oppression?

[Metabigot]

I mean reproductive issues such as abortion, antenatal care, maternity leave and impact on career etc.

Will we not be able to speak out on these for fear of offending the 'women' (ie trans women ) to whom this does not apply?

If transwomen are women, what are natal women... not representative of 'women' under the trans ideology it seems.

I have nothing against trans women living a life they wish and 'as a woman' if that eases dysphoria etc but my greatest fear is that female biological rights and issues will be suppressed under this ideology.

It feels like the way things are going it will be soon offensive to discuss these issues as it excludes transwomen.

Or am I exaggerating this?

Would transwomen ever support their fellow 'women' in fighting for these rights. Or see it as exclusive?

I'm referring to mainly reproductive issues as this is the one thing above all others transwomen can't do... no transwoman to my knowledge has gestated a child yet.

Nothing. Because transwomen are women. So the fact that they haven't had kids makes them just like many other women.

Keep up!!!

(Do I have to add a note about sarcasm?)

It magically disappears!!!

No but seriously OP that is the fundamental issue. As soon as the word women is redefined to include men then there are no “womens issues” only ppls issues erasing womens hard won rights to single sex spaces amongst other things

I was looking at the post about the women's officer at Cambridge University. Who is a transman and seems concerned only with trans rights.

What's worse the biological issues will not just be irrelevant but 'triggering'. As it flies in the face that TWAW.

As I remember, Lily Madigan, a TW who became a women's officer, informed women that any issue that was not one that equally affected TW was not a women's issue and would not be represented as exclusionary.

And there was the whole 'no mentioning pussies on a women's march'.

So yes, is the answer OP. This is not a tolerant or female supportive agenda, and does nothing to support the biological reality of 99% of the mixed sex group currently being known as women.

Which is why my answer is no. No thank you.

www.cambridgesu.co.uk/yourunion/officers/womensofficer/

Represents students of marginalised genders. Identifies as a man.

This is the university women's officer!

Any posts labelled women are targets to capture and redirect away from sin to the righteous focus. Capture and colonisation. Not inclusive in any way.

It is why they are so obsessed with taking the word 'women' away and replacing it with 'people'.

The high jacking of language is very clever... change the words change the game.

Trans women are women
A woman is anyone who says they're a woman
Women(as was) are cis women
Cis women denying the cis prefix are transphobic

I am who I say I am and to challenge this is transphobic.
You are not allowed to deny my definition of you and to challenge this is transphobic.

Any words associating woman with biological functions eg periods, birth must be removed.

Women cannot define biologically, it threatens the ideology.

That's the end game OP. If you can undermine facts, truth and science you can get people to believe any crap you tell them.
Just look at the intimidation and cries of transphobia that trans activists aim at women fighting to stop FGM to see this in action.

@Goatsaregreat

That's the end game OP. If you can undermine facts, truth and science you can get people to believe any crap you tell them. Just look at the intimidation and cries of transphobia that trans activists aim at women fighting to stop FGM to see this in action.

Do you have a source re the FGM please?

Maybe one day the transmen and female NBs will twig that they haven't been able to identify out of their opression,

And that transwomen and male NBs are listened to and their issues are centred despite their "most opressed" label,

And a teeny tiny bell will start to ring. But I'm not holding my breath.

Do transmen who give birth identify successfully out of maternity discrimination at work? Of course they bloody don't! My boss would still have tried to demote me and ultimately make me redundant even if I called myself Bob and wore a tie. Ffs.

Here is a thread from February when the brilliant anti-FGM campaigner Hibo Wardere was facing Twitter pile ons from transactivists: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4170253-Anti-FGM-campaigner-Hibo-Wardere-comes-under-attack

Clever activism... infiltrate a majority by pretending to be equivalent, then take over by minimising the majority's issues as excluding and irrelevant. So the minority group controls the majority.

Has this ever happened before in history?

Well, we have seen transwomen insist on being included in groups dedicated to menopause, stillbirth and other issues that only affect women. And resources previously allocated to women's issues get steered to provision for transwomen instead. (Thinking of rape crisis centre and dv shelters). And of course the effect of statistics being blurred and skewed by self declared gender may also have an impact on women's services - a 4000% increase on girls IDing as male, for example.

If we’re doing away with recognised legal descriptions of what a male, female, non binary person is then we are utterly reliant on any individuals personal criteria. We could all categorise ourselves as males - and for entirely different reasons. We will very quickly end up with a couple of meaningless words.

But apparently it’s fine

That's a huge part of the issue for me. It's not 'live and let live' if we are shut down whenever we try to talk about issues that only affect us.
It's a huge tell how often you see TWAW as a response to women's rights issues like abortion or period poverty instead of TMAM.
I've seen Hibo Wardere told off more than once on twitter about not being inclusive enough of trans women. She campaigns against FGM ffs. What's that got to do with TW?

@TheGreatATuin

That's a huge part of the issue for me. It's not 'live and let live' if we are shut down whenever we try to talk about issues that only affect us. It's a huge tell how often you see TWAW as a response to women's rights issues like abortion or period poverty instead of TMAM. I've seen Hibo Wardere told off more than once on twitter about not being inclusive enough of trans women. She campaigns against FGM ffs. What's that got to do with TW?

Nothing. That's the point. It threatens the ideology.

So Milo’s expectation is that the University in fact privilege students who are engaged in sex work over all other Undergraduates & those on taught Masters courses? (The ban on term-time employment extends to that portion of the Postgraduate student body.)

I note there is no mention of students gaining permission from College to undertake this work. Presumably just an oversight; and the setting of permitted work hours with/by applicable students’ Directors of Studies + Tutors (sometimes &/or the Senior Tutors too) & the setting (& review) of level of academic performance required to be allowed to continue with term-time employment comes under Pastoral Care, right?

Or do we think that Milo just has VERY definite opinions on RightThink & the dinning of it into others ?

Pity Milo isn’t interested in, say, actual documented inequality of outcome between male & female students in the History Tripos. Or the rights of female students to their own spaces. Like Newnham College, for example. Even something utterly frivolous like setting up a dress exchange/2nd hand sale for May Week: for men it’s just evening dress all through (June Events it might even be a suit!), which they can even hire. Women are under vastly more pressure sartorially (& thus financially), especially if they need to pay for a hair-up to attend one of the White Tie events. It is absolutely frivolous, as I said - not at all what the CUSU Women’s Officer should be focused on. But it would be more useful - & crucially, actually respond to the needs of the student population.

Lobbying the Council for improved streetlights in certain areas wouldn’t go amiss either.

Milo identifies as a man, who the hell is allowing trans men to be women's officer.

Trans officer more like

Its 2021 and there are still women who are unable to name the parts of their own body, or know how to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
We are rapidly regressing to Victorian times, when women died of treatable medical conditions because it was taboo to talk about them to anyone, even a doctor. Women who rebelled could be labelled as mad, bad or dangerous, and locked up. Or sterilised.

[quote GrinitchSpinach]Here is a thread from February when the brilliant anti-FGM campaigner Hibo Wardere was facing Twitter pile ons from transactivists: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4170253-Anti-FGM-campaigner-Hibo-Wardere-comes-under-attack[/quote]
I just read some of the replies to her tweets.
Its bizarre to see people triggered, not by FGM, but by the word FEMALE!

Ridiculous that women can cause offence by simply talking about our biology.

The whole thing is a dystopian nightmare. How have the majority capitulated to the minority?

Through language.

Think about it.. trans women are women.

Therefore women ( as was) cannot be just women.

Although for fun I went on a gender site and I am not a straight women it seems... I'm a 'superstraight' 'genderqueer' 'cassgender'

Superstraight= not gay bi or bicurious. Straight really...

Genderqueer:not cis or trans but haven't worked it out yet ( I don't believe in genders so probably won't)

Cassgender: someone who is not bothered about defining their gender ( oh the irony.. they still get a label)

@JorisBohnson2

The whole thing is a dystopian nightmare. How have the majority capitulated to the minority?

Through language.

Think about it.. trans women are women.

Therefore women ( as was) cannot be just women.

Although for fun I went on a gender site and I am not a straight women it seems... I'm a 'superstraight' 'genderqueer' 'cassgender'

Superstraight= not gay bi or bicurious. Straight really...

Genderqueer:not cis or trans but haven't worked it out yet ( I don't believe in genders so probably won't)

Cassgender: someone who is not bothered about defining their gender ( oh the irony.. they still get a label)

.... yeah, no.

Other people can play with whatever labels they choose.

I'll be a woman. Adult biological female. My working definition.

I am quite enjoying watching sport etc realise that now that 'women' in their lexicon has become a mixed sex group they're now having to very reluctantly differentiate between female and women because they're not the same thing. And sometimes sex matters.