If women cannot be defined biologically what happens to sex based oppression?

[Metabigot]

I mean reproductive issues such as abortion, antenatal care, maternity leave and impact on career etc.

Will we not be able to speak out on these for fear of offending the 'women' (ie trans women ) to whom this does not apply?

If transwomen are women, what are natal women... not representative of 'women' under the trans ideology it seems.

I have nothing against trans women living a life they wish and 'as a woman' if that eases dysphoria etc but my greatest fear is that female biological rights and issues will be suppressed under this ideology.

It feels like the way things are going it will be soon offensive to discuss these issues as it excludes transwomen.

Or am I exaggerating this?

Would transwomen ever support their fellow 'women' in fighting for these rights. Or see it as exclusive?

I'm referring to mainly reproductive issues as this is the one thing above all others transwomen can't do... no transwoman to my knowledge has gestated a child yet.

@ErynIsTrans

When someone says that they are a woman, they are a woman, and therefore have a right to be treated as such, and allowed into women's bathrooms etc.

"Bathroom".

Spot the American poster.

@unwashedanddazed

Neptunian gender affirming surgery. Does it involve a tripod?

You are thinking of a trident, not tripod.

I suspect that these americans never read the greek and roman classics, because I don't see how horseracing and the sea are in any way related to "soft masculine energy". Anyone who thinks the sea is "soft" is invited to reread the Odyssey, review the long and fatal history of shipwrecks, and read up on coastal erosion.

This looks like the woke engaging in that "cultural appropriation" thing they claim to decry, by helping themselves, for their own ends, to the words and labels that they do not understand from a different culture.

@ErynIsTrans

also btw the feminine version of neptunian is venusarian, so you're very welcome to identify that way if you wish!

No. "Venusarian" is a made up word. The adjective for "of Venus" is "venereal", and the use of the Venus and Mars symbols to mean women and female versus men and male was introduced by Linnaeus in the 18th century. So, if anything is to be deemed "opposite" to venereal, it would be martial, seeing as there are only two sexes. If you are going to steal the names of Roman gods for your gender identities, pick ones that don't already have well-defined and long-attested meanings to scientists.

The other planets known to classical alchemists did have the personality traits of mercurial, jovial, and saturnine ascribed to them. These are personality traits, not gender identities.

A non-binary xenogender in the celestial gender system. The original definition of neptunian is a gender linked to the void and to a soft, celestial, masculine energy. It is never hyper masculine. It is not male-aligned, simply linked. Ones who identify as Neptunian may feel different amounts of masculine energy at different times.

These are pretend, made up things for kids and teenagers. No-one should be thinking of having drastic major surgery that will affect them lifelong because of some sub-fantasy-novel level make-believe they read on the internet.

It's one of two things: a quasi-religion with its own "theology"*; or not being able to distinguish between roleplaying games (e.g. Dungeons and Dragons, where a game writer might spend a long time "worldbuilding" the way that Tolkien did) and reality. I wonder if, as religion becomes less relevant, this quasi-religion is filling the void left behind?

• By analogy with actual religions, where churches schism over a two word difference in a creed and people write long essays and dissertations defending or attacking a position, whilst to an atheist the theological arguments and everything they rest on are all made-up nonsense because there is no god to argue about.

It's one of two things: a quasi-religion with its own "theology"; or not being able to distinguish between roleplaying games (e.g. Dungeons and Dragons, where a game writer might spend a long time "worldbuilding" the way that Tolkien did) and reality.

Make that three things.

A non-binary xenogender in the celestial gender system. The original definition of neptunian is a gender linked to the void and to a soft, celestial, masculine energy.

The other planets known to classical alchemists did have the personality traits of mercurial, jovial, and saturnine ascribed to them. These are personality traits, not gender identities.

These systems of gender labels might also be an attempt to undermine the scientific method, which is "colonialist", "imperialist", etc according to the wokerati. The "logic" says something about western science being "privileged" over indigenous knowledge, which it is by scientists on account of falsifiable hypotheses tested with repeatable experiments being provably more reliable than oral histories and the like, but then tries to claim that this "privilege" is somehow unfair. So making up a gender model that closely echoes classical alchemy and trying to pass it off as fact might be to genderists what "intelligent design" in classrooms is to christian creationists: an attempt to present something unfalsifiable as intellectually equal to something that has been rigorously tested.

interesting posts bd! I'm impressed how you've managed to analyse such waffle and draw insightful questions from it.

I've seen a couple of people suggest some of the genderism is like the Enlightenment in reverse. I'd say it has a particular feature of not explicitly rejecting science but instead repurposing, misusing and distorting the idea of science. See claims that sex is a spectrum posited as 'up to date' science.

"Venusarian" is a made up word. The adjective for "of Venus" is "venereal",
This puts Doctor Who and his Venusian Karate in a whole new light.

There is no budgie gender and thus no budgie gender flag.

There needs to be a budgie gender.

It's discriminatory otherwise.

Well spart! Wouldn’t the flag be a pair of budgie smugglers? Quick and easy to organise really.

A bit seedy maybe… but really once you have lived with budgies you would know that is appropriate (ie… their habit of tossing seeds and seed husks around.)

I think most of the flags have horizontal stripes.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

I think most of the flags have horizontal stripes.

Yes... strangely conformist.

@JorisBohnson2

The whole thing is a dystopian nightmare. How have the majority capitulated to the minority?

Through language.

Think about it.. trans women are women.

Therefore women ( as was) cannot be just women.

Although for fun I went on a gender site and I am not a straight women it seems... I'm a 'superstraight' 'genderqueer' 'cassgender'

Superstraight= not gay bi or bicurious. Straight really...

Genderqueer:not cis or trans but haven't worked it out yet ( I don't believe in genders so probably won't)

Cassgender: someone who is not bothered about defining their gender ( oh the irony.. they still get a label)

Super Straight and Super Lesbian are GC terms to basically let the world know you claim not to be attracted to trans people basedd on there gender identity. The rest of the world and trans community don't need to be Super anything... its daft

‘Super’ came from a teenaged boy who had nothing to do with feminists.

Perhaps get your history right.

@bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg really interesting posts, thank you. Am now off in a research hole!

“It’s daft”?

You’re on a thread where the concept of Neptunian as a gender identity was carefully explained, but it’s the concept of being “super straight” thats daft? 🤣

Maybe it’s your lack of understanding of what it actually means that has hindered you- it means that a person’s attraction is sex based, so a heterosexual woman is attracted to men, meaning XY chromosome human males. Gender identity isn’t involved at all.

HTH!

@DisgustedofManchester how are you not embarrassed by your appalling homophobia? You really should be. This in particular - Super Straight and Super Lesbian are GC terms to basically let the world know you claim not to be attracted to trans people basedd on there gender identity.

Whoops, I left “super straight” out of my paragraph above. It should read

Maybe it’s your lack of understanding of what it actually means that has hindered you- it means that a person’s attraction is sex based, so a super straight woman is attracted to men, meaning XY chromosome human males. Gender identity isn’t involved at all

Super Straight was thought up by Kyle Royce. A bloke. I have never seen him claim to be a 'gc feminist' (or any other kind of feminist).

He had to remove his videos after his family received death threats from the ever-inclusive, kind and compassionate trans rights activists. The hashtag 'super straight' was/is apparently banned on TikTok.

en.everybodywiki.com/Super-Straight_(Sexual_Orientation)

@Deliriumoftheendless

"Venusarian" is a made up word. The adjective for "of Venus" is "venereal", This puts Doctor Who and his Venusian Karate in a whole new light.

"Martian" and "Venusian" would refer to inhabitants or features of those planets, not to things that are "Mars-like" or "Venus-like" in the senses of classical alchemy or ancient gods. It's the same distinction as between lunar craters and Dianic rites.

So an astronomer would tell you that the Venusian atmosphere is acidic, but Thomas Aquinas would tell you that "venereal [of sex and love, associated with the goddess Venus] pleasures above all debauch a man's mind". Likewise, Mark Watney becomes the first Martian colonist by growing potatoes in the Hab, but when war breaks out, a government may declare martial [of war, associated with the god Mars] law.