If women cannot be defined biologically what happens to sex based oppression?

[Metabigot]

I mean reproductive issues such as abortion, antenatal care, maternity leave and impact on career etc.

Will we not be able to speak out on these for fear of offending the 'women' (ie trans women ) to whom this does not apply?

If transwomen are women, what are natal women... not representative of 'women' under the trans ideology it seems.

I have nothing against trans women living a life they wish and 'as a woman' if that eases dysphoria etc but my greatest fear is that female biological rights and issues will be suppressed under this ideology.

It feels like the way things are going it will be soon offensive to discuss these issues as it excludes transwomen.

Or am I exaggerating this?

Would transwomen ever support their fellow 'women' in fighting for these rights. Or see it as exclusive?

I'm referring to mainly reproductive issues as this is the one thing above all others transwomen can't do... no transwoman to my knowledge has gestated a child yet.

sweetie, or whatever the NB nomenclature is...

it's not women in the female toilets who'll do you harm. The stats are very clear. it's male people who hurt female people. If you find that hard to believe, have a quick google of Karen Ingala Smith - she curates the piles of dead women that no-one gives a shit about.

Please, and I mean this sincerely, please, piss in the ladies. We all know you are female and none of the males like you getting your vulva out and it can make them go a bit squiffy.

Please piss next to me.

(I reserve the right to make clanger noises, but that's how you'd know that I might take the piss but I'd protect your lawful rights and sort out any shit that your haircut might bring your way)

Pretty sure that is the real point of the entire thing. If women can’t collect data on our rights being violated and we can’t advocate for making education and the workplace not just accepting but truly compatible for our biological reality, then the system can keep us from getting the real equality we deserve.

Crikey. What a number this ideology has done on our young women.

Its made Eryn truly believe that gender non conforming women will be better off in a loo full of men with their cocks out under the expectation of total privacy from the opposite sex.

These girls and young women are being used over and over.

Agreed. I'm beginning to think the govt should bring back national service. Not just military service, I mean working with the elderly, disadvantaged, disabled - doing something to help others. Would leave a lot less time to be dazzled by their own magnificence. I forsee an awful lot of regret in the future.

"I would begin to get strange looks from the women in there, so for my own safety I use the men's"

Could you elaborate on this? Is it your genuine belief that women are going to assault you in the ladies' toilets?

And you think that using the men's is safer (then men's loos, where feminine presenting or gay men and trans women claim they are terribly at risk from the threat of male violence)? You know of course that some of their main arguments for trans women being in women's spaces is because of the threat men pose to gender non conforming individuals? Yet you seem to be saying that you feel "safer" there?

Is this based on any evidence from reality, or is it just all a kind of theatrical pretence?

I am eager to hear this reasoning. Because, it makes a total mockery of any male claiming that the female single sex spaces are 'safer'.

Strange that...

And we have also had a few transitioned males who have also pointed out that they use the male toilets.

please don't bring up chromosomes, they're unreliable and give me dysphoria as they make me feel like i could never truly be non-binary

Not only tone policing, but topic policing.

If you cannot accept that your sex is female and will remain female, no matter how much philosophy is applied to it, your material reality will be that you will be female, with chemical and other body modifications. I would be surprised at the integrity of any medical profession telling you any different.

Because it is harmful. If you have been pregnant and donate blood without disclosing your sex, you could cause tremendous harm to the males who receive your blood.

It might help your mental health to live in a world where you are unchallenged on that, but sadly we all have to interact with the wider world and how we impact it.

On another thread, Eryn mentions that Eryn has kids.

I wonder if Eryn has actually given birth to these kids and if so, if Eryn ever donates blood and ticks the 'male' box, that any male receiving that blood is at a higher risk of death.

I mean, no offence Eryn, but I don't want any males dying as a result of this lie. Good males, bad males, nonchalant males.

And they say feminists hate men.

The utter vapidity of the reasoning makes my teeth itch.

I have a “masculine” haircut (short hair), sometimes wear mens clothes (I’m 6’ with big shoulders and some mens things fit me better), and I use testosterone (because of early menopause). By genderist logic, I tick all the boxes to be non binary.

However, I am a woman. My sex is female. I don’t have a gender identity because to my mind, the concept of a gender identity is just, as foxgoosefinch points out above, a story we tell ourselves about the world. It’s a narrative (sometimes a quite fantastical one).

The only difference between me and the soi-distant neptuniuns of this world is our own narratives.

Which is fine. This is the richness of human existence, and the joys of living in a modern liberal democracy. We can all construct large parts of our own narratives.

What you can’t do is use far fetched identity stories to make laws or run countries.

Which is fine. This is the richness of human existence, and the joys of living in a modern liberal democracy. We can all construct large parts of our own narratives.

What you can’t do is use far fetched identity stories to make laws or run countries.

Nor can you force or compel others to believe them and validate your belief in them or insist they do not talk about or refer to things that you don't want to hear. That's totalitarian not liberal or progressive.

Exactly, vest.

@Helleofabore

please don't bring up chromosomes, they're unreliable and give me dysphoria as they make me feel like i could never truly be non-binary

Not only tone policing, but topic policing.

If you cannot accept that your sex is female and will remain female, no matter how much philosophy is applied to it, your material reality will be that you will be female, with chemical and other body modifications. I would be surprised at the integrity of any medical profession telling you any different.

Because it is harmful. If you have been pregnant and donate blood without disclosing your sex, you could cause tremendous harm to the males who receive your blood.

It might help your mental health to live in a world where you are unchallenged on that, but sadly we all have to interact with the wider world and how we impact it.

So we are not allowed to bring up chromosomes (according to Hellewofabore) because they give them dysphoria?

@Helleofabore have you ever heard the expression 'it's not all about you?'

Helleofabore was quoting Eryn, Joris!

You've made a mistake @JorisBohnson2, Hellofabore was quoting and responding to ErynIsTrans dictat on what we can and cannot talk about.

Aww... thanks.

And JorisBohnson I did have a period of gender dysphoria as a young teenager. I am sure that many on this forum have had.

I sure as hell would never have used it as a cudgel to manipulate other's discussion in this way. Even as a 13 year old.

I also find it quite enlightening to see those who 'do' use it thus. It says a great deal about them, don't you think?

You are very right to be angry at such attempts. I agree!!!

Ah sorry got you confused with @ErynIsTrans...

So @ErynIsTrans have you ever heard the expression 'its not all about you?'

Ive had a situation at work where before i knew that trans people (that has now been extended to how anyone feels on the day) were using the ladies, where i walked in and saw someone that i couldnt 'place' my 'inner self' was telling me that there was something 'different' and i needed to work out what it was...so whilst i didnt stare for minutes on end, my glance was probably a millisecond or two longer than it would be if a female was for example, dressed in an outlandish way...this delay was my brain catching up with the situation, not trans phobia, simply subconsciously assessing the situation from a risk perspective as women have done throughout history @ErynIsTrans is that not something that you can appreciate?

Now.my brain has registered who that person is, next time i will not have the slightly prolonged glance because my brain has stored that persons face and identified that they are allowed to be there and shouldnt pose a risk because i am at work. Subconsciously i probably do this with everyone in a toilet scenario but with females the recognition is faster...although part of the recognition process in public toilets may include whether a female appears 'dodgy' eg drugs, begging, likely to engage me in a conversation i dont want.

It is April already?

lgbta.fandom.com/wiki/Neptunun

Really?

Piscin is a gender in the aecor system in which ones gender feels like a swimming pool. It may be a coric or aesthetic xenogender relating to pools, or a mutogender in which ones gender is affected by swimming. It is similar to stagmun, except that it does not include faunagenders as part of its definition. Piscin may be added on to another identity, and one may identify as a piscingirl, a piscinboy, or a piscinenby/piscinonbinary

I'm not good at keeping up with the times or spotting modern humour (trust me, I cackle at old BBC and even ITV comedies but modern humour eludes me).

Is this a joke?

lgbta.fandom.com/wiki/Piscin

I think I need a good cleanse with the Dead Parrot Sketch now.

Although apparently there is a parrot gender too...

lgbta.fandom.com/wiki/Parrotgender

And spartacus each of these genders require others to believe they belong to the group of most vulnerable and oppressed and therefore laws should change to suit them.

Including safeguarding laws, put in place to protect those most vulnerable and oppressed in the real world.

So supposedly safeguarding is to be weakened because people now have a parrotgender, instead of strengthened.

And those insisting on this lowering of boundaries declare they are the righteous ones and the kind ones.