Music workshop 'exclusively' for those who identify as women or non-binary aged 13-18

[TellingBone]

With visiting 'female' artists. Whatever that means in their parlance.

sagegateshead.com/whats-on/turn-up-the-quiet-d-i-y/

Are you allowed to attend if you don’t identify as a woman, aren’t non binary but actually just are an adult human female or 🙃

The entire workshop could be 100% people with a penis. What's the point of it then. Just let other men in too for goodness sake.

The age range is a bit weird. 13 yr olds Long side adults . Potentially adult males. Amd we all know what facilities non bi are males like to use.

So you have 13 year olds sharing private spaces with adult males?

@Athomewiththehales89

Are you allowed to attend if you don’t identify as a woman, aren’t non binary but actually just are an adult human female or 🙃

No!

But how would they know? 🤔

😅

@Gncq

The entire workshop could be 100% people with a penis. What's the point of it then. Just let other men in too for goodness sake.

100% very disappointed people with penises

Surely most 13 year olds don't call themselves women?

Just let other men in too

Agreed. A man/boy who wanted to attend would have a pretty good discrimination claim I think (disclaimer - not a lawyer!)

13-18?

What are their safeguarding policies?

I’m a biological woman. Born female.. I don’t identify as a woman. I just AM a woman. So biological women are not welcome? This is for those who identify as women. I would interpret this as a trans women’s music group. The language muddles. English isn’t my native language but I speak it fluently enough to know that if you say identify as in front of women then you don’t mean natal women.

Surely 13 to 17 year olds are still children? Not women?

Blog: Sage Gateshead’s Turn Up the Quiet: Young Women’s Music-Making | Sage Gateshead

This blog gives a bit more information.
I think it is meant for girls on the grounds that the music industry is being dominated by men.

If so, it is ironic that they are simultaneously apparently encouraging males.
sagegateshead.com/blog-sage-gatesheads-turn-up-the-quiet-young-womens-music-making/

who identify as women or non-binary aged

There will also be a series of masterclasses during which visiting female artists

🤷🏼‍♀️

The blog says,

“Hannah Taylor, Programme Leader for Gender Equality, added to the chat: “It’s no secret that we’re in a male-dominated industry and it’s great for young girls to be themselves in an environment where they feel safe, gain the confidence they need, gain musical skills, raise their aspirations and hopefully feel like it may be something they want to continue with in the future.

All abilities are welcome, anyone can take part. My advice is just turn up! We will welcome you into the group and hope you’ll leave feeling happier and inspired.”

So are they operating at cross purposes with themselves?

The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Because the music industry is male dominated they offer a program for girls. Then they include "non binary", which can include boys. This is just bait and switch.

If this is what is on offer for girls, they might as well join a program with boys in it. At least they will know what to expect.

Women are over 18. If you're under 18 you're a girl.

What sort of person encourages children into activities that are for adults? (And I'm not talking about the course they are offering).

Now let's have a think ...

Excluding transmen? Hope not.

Oh this is typical of the indie music scene. I'm in a group for "women" musicians. Sooo inclusive, by which I mean they exclude transmen and any women who don't toe the TWAW line, but males are permitted providing they wear eyeliner. They were tearing themselves to pieces trying to process what removing the "female artist" music category award means. They deep down know, but obviously can't express, that it represents a problem! I've been quite amused with the justifications some are coming up with. One even suggested that if women were "more confident in their own abilities" they would do equally well in a gender neutral category. 🤦🏻‍♀️

@PaleGreenGhost

Oh this is typical of the indie music scene. I'm in a group for "women" musicians. Sooo inclusive, by which I mean they exclude transmen and any women who don't toe the TWAW line, but males are permitted providing they wear eyeliner. They were tearing themselves to pieces trying to process what removing the "female artist" music category award means. They deep down know, but obviously can't express, that it represents a problem! I've been quite amused with the justifications some are coming up with. One even suggested that if women were "more confident in their own abilities" they would do equally well in a gender neutral category. 🤦🏻‍♀️

And yet they joined a woman's group 🙄 But not because they need to be more confident in their own abilities.... 🙃😀😂🤣

Can would-be participants also self-identify as a 13-18 year old?

Is this actually legal?
The Equality Act allows for single sex exemptions, not single gender exemptions?