Labour's batshit opinions on women's rights

[PronounssheRa]

Conference season is highlighting some interesting opinions from Labour mps on women's rights (although when asked about women's rights they always turn this into a discussion on trans issues)

I thought it would be useful to collate into one thread, feel free to add.

Starmer 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4359097-Starmer-on-Marr-now

Rachel Reeves - incoherent ramble

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4359928-Rachel-Reeves-Shadow-Chancellor-LBC

Lammy 'Rights-hoarding dinosaurs'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4360373-Rights-hoarding-dinosaurs-according-to-David-Lammy

Ian Murray - I have no idea what he his saying

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4360270-Step-Forward-Ian-Murray

Emily Thornberry stating it's a fact men have cervixes:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-58708573

Bridget Phillipson being grilled by Julia Hartley-Brewer

twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1442410890268119041

Phillipson seems to be saying we should never label anyone as anything because it might hurt their feelings

Nooo PronounssheRa
It's too depressing to see all this drivel in one place. Bet the Tories are popping open the champagne this week

It's absurd all these Labour MPs claiming to believe "we need respectful debate".

Ok well. Who is demanding "no debate" exactly, then calling women stupid slurs like "terf" and sending rape and death threats, unsolicited erection pics exactly.
It's not feminists.

If respectful debate is what's required, stop siding with the abuser.

I might vote Tory for the first time in my life. Been voting for 30 years.

@MrsOvertonsWindow

Nooo PronounssheRa It's too depressing to see all this drivel in one place. Bet the Tories are popping open the champagne this week

Sorry

I'm just baffled. As a previous labour voter and I just don't recognise them anymore.

It is really bizarre. Allegedly sane people? There is something very sinister about all of this.

If respectful debate is what's required, stop siding with the abuser.

THIS.

Great thread, thank you OP.

I’m another one who will be voting Tory for the first time in my voting life (25 years).

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

It is really bizarre. Allegedly sane people? There is something very sinister about all of this.

I agree there is something quite sinister going on. I have seen politicians resign for compromises that were far less personally taxing. Exactly HOW are they getting so many intelligent, forthright women (women who have had children and know the hard core reality of pushing something large through a cervix) to trot out this line? One imagines one or two would refuse and sit out on the back benches rather than compromise to this degree. But no. They'd rather look like idiots and throw women under the bus, ostensibly for their positions.

These are not women without power. Women one payment away from eviction or going hungry or having no money to top up their electricity key, women who have to keep quiet in order to survive. No. These are women with resources, networks, and impressive CVs.

I don't understand it.

I think part of it is the trauma Labour has endured in opposition, and the lesson drawn that Unity is all, don't rock the boat, get with the programme and repeat after me.....

My dream solution would be for the Queen Mother of the Labour Party, Dame Margaret Beckett, to send them all to bed without any pudding, take over as interim leader and tell Burnham and the Right Miliband to get their arses back to Westminster for a leadership contest.

Dreams.

They are finished as far as I am concerned. Watching Emily Thornberry spout so much rubbish shows me how bankrupt as a party they are, I despair at the politicians we have. Labour should be a strong opposition to a weak, reactive government with lots of issues around PPE contracts, track and trace etc but they are failing.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

If respectful debate is what's required, stop siding with the abuser.

THIS.

I agree with this as well. Well put.

The debate is as it is because of No Debate. The toxicity is from one camp only unless you think talking biological reality is "literal violence " etc etc.
Labour are going to lose.

Literally marking themselves as unelectable, stupid and dishonest. Might as well be asking them "is the sky blue" and watch them turn themselves inside explaining why it's not.
Liars, cowards and fools.

Someone could make a wonderful video montage of all these moments, set to comedy music.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Someone could make a wonderful video montage of all these moments, set to comedy music.

Someone at Tory Central Office probably is.

They've been caught twice doctoring Starmer interviews to make him look shifty and two-faced. But now they don't have to edit.

@Jaysmith71 I think part of it is the trauma Labour has endured in opposition, and the lesson drawn that Unity is all, don't rock the boat, get with the programme and repeat after me.....

About the only thing that makes sense. It has been tough as opposition through the Corbyn years, where they received daily bashing from the RW press, true... But still.......

Lisa Nandy: child rapists should be in women's prisons if they identity as female.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3824781-Lisa-Nandy-says-child-rapists-should-be-in-women-s-prisons-if-they-identify-as-female

Dawn Butler: a baby is born without a sex.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3825633-Dawn-Butler-and-biology

My (Labour controlled) town is trying to pull itself out of high unemployment, high rates of teen pregnancy, very high rates of permanent exclusions from schools, high rates of male suicide, food banks, homeless people on the increase, businesses folding and low wages but yeah, the most important thing is minding who you say has a cervix.

@Jaysmith71

That’s a dream I can get behind!