Labour's batshit opinions on women's rights

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Conference season is highlighting some interesting opinions from Labour mps on women's rights (although when asked about women's rights they always turn this into a discussion on trans issues)

I thought it would be useful to collate into one thread, feel free to add.

Starmer 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4359097-Starmer-on-Marr-now

That's a good piece by Matthew d'Ancona. I always like it when people take the time to explain the postmodern origins of this stuff and how anti-scientific it is. It's not just that it's a misogynistic ideology, though it is; it's that if you believe that fixed scientific truths such as the existence of two sexes no longer matter, then anyone can believe anything: objective reality, the search for truth, the attempts to gather evidence and so on become irrelevant.

There are other political parties if you want to take a stand against labour. The tories are still a terrible party; this is not a 2 party state! Hmmm, I’ve said party quite a lot…

Who? Lib Dems/Greens/SNP/PC are all just as bad. That only really leaves us with fringe parties which have no chance at all of making an impact.

@Gncq

It's absurd all these Labour MPs claiming to believe "we need respectful debate".

Ok well. Who is demanding "no debate" exactly, then calling women stupid slurs like "terf" and sending rape and death threats, unsolicited erection pics exactly.
It's not feminists.

If respectful debate is what's required, stop siding with the abuser.

They keep saying this, they keep saying 'we need to have a respectful debate' but they don't answer questions in good faith, they shut down opposing views and they lie (blunt but factual). If they think we need a 'respectful debate' why not hold one in good faith? Why not answer questions without lying or avoiding an actual answer so they can bring up incorrect talking points.

Keep saying we need 'respectful debate' but avoiding it with every inch of their being just makes them the same old mendacious politicians that women can't trust and I for one am tired of it.

Have you seen the article in the Evening Standard that looks at reasons?

www.standard.co.uk/comment/labour-trans-keir-starmer-rosie-duffield-labour-conference-b957703.html

Thanks for the link. I’m a lifelong Labour voter, I thought that was a fair and good article from Matthew D’Acona on the current situation with Labour. He’s nailed it.
That said, he’s a Tory and is happily framing misogynistic anti-science genderist politics as a Labour issue (This week, at Labour Party conference- of course it is!) but it wasn’t long ago that keen Tory MPs with this huge government majority were leading the Tory government charge to reform the Gender Recognition Act. They even publicly consulted on doing so, as the first step to bring it to Parliament to decide on until they realised it was toxic with most voters.

Some prominent Tory MPs who were all TWAW and ‘the most oppressed’ won’t have changed their views, it’s just that the Tories just have better party control than Labour do so we don’t hear about that now.

At the moment Labour are lagging behind the curve of public opinion on this issue and its impact on girls and women’s rights. They don’t understand or care about voter toxicity because they are obsessed with being morally ‘pure’ at any electoral cost which they have redefined to exclude anyone giving a shit about women’s rights.

This is a toxic issue affecting ALL parties though - misogyny is endemic in Parliamentary politics and it needs constant challenge. It’s complacent and inaccurate to pretend it’s only a Labour problem.

I’ll happily berate Labour but I am definitely not going to revise history and pretend the whole Tory party called out that the Emperor had no clothes on, because that would be a lie. Philip TC Davies MP (Conservative) yes. Joan McAlpine and Joanna Cherry (SNP) yes.
The whole rest of Parliament in Westminster and Holyrood no. Some Westminster peers on both sides yes. The rest of the house of Lords no.

I don’t think it does anyone any favours to have a short memory on this issue, although we all have party biases.

They keep saying this, they keep saying 'we need to have a respectful debate' but they don't answer questions in good faith, they shut down opposing views and they lie (blunt but factual). If they think we need a 'respectful debate' why not hold one in good faith?

One politician kept saying 'we can find a way to resolve this issue'. However, I think his way of 'resolving' the issue is just for women to capitulate.

[quote PronounssheRa]Labour MP Barry Gardiner has told a constituent that not allowing a male access to a women's space such as a changing room when he says he is a woman is the equivalent of the forced segregation of black Africans in South Africa in the 1960s and 1970s

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442377290185203714

Barry denies this, and posts the letter on twitter, which shows that is exactly what he did twitter.com/BarryGardiner/status/1442598243095941122[/quote]
That elicited such a loud gasp of appalled astonishment from me that the dogs stopped the very loud game they'd been engaged in and looked at me with concern, as if I might be dying or something.

the equivalent of the forced segregation of black Africans in South Africa in the 1960s and 1970s
Fuck sake.
I saw Grand Apartheid in action and take me from me, telling a male that he may not access a space that exists for the safety and dignity of females is not remotely on a par with that horror.

How has he got the nerve to liken gender recognition to the race classification boards? Boards which split families (I knew one bloke classed as white; his cousins were categorised as Coloured). Boards whose outcome dictated where you could live, where you could go to school, which hospitals you could attend, even which park bench you could sit on. Fall on the wrong side of the line, and you're in a 2-room house a long and crowded bus ride away from your job, and if you forget your pass, you face arrest.

There is just no comparison. Venal bloody idiot.

I haven't voted Labour since the Iraq War fiasco, and this really isn't helping.

Well at least if we do have Apartheid, we can look forward to a Group Areas Act so we really will have an LGBT Community.

Grumpy and Jay it’s shocking.

twitter.com/DalgetySusan/status/1473272632883752960

Kim Johnson proposed removing safeguards designed to stop violent or sexual offenders from getting a GRC (see tweet)

Side note Kim is the MP for the constituency where GMAGIC a gender dysphoria service is based, which coincidently employs Harrop (when he is not suspended obvs)

Just out of interest - has anyone ever said “only men have a penis is something that should not be said”?

@KittenKong prostate cancer awareness still addresses only men.

It appears to be only language that triggers trans women into feel invalidated.

Can’t imagine why?

*feeling, rather.

I really can’t get my head around why those who demand the word women/mother etc be made neutral do not do so for man/father - especially when the rates of girls attending gender clinics is way more than boys.

I really can’t get my head around why those who demand the word women/mother etc be made neutral do not do so for man/father - especially when the rates of girls attending gender clinics is way more than boys.

The push to erase " women" from any context to do with female biology comes from males who identify as women. To validate these males as "women" there can be no link with female biology as it excludes them, as they have male biology

Feh. I’ve just had to take a wee step away from a proposal I was writing around some awards. So one that used to be called the ‘Women in XX’ is now the ‘W awards in XX’ and now open to women and non binaries. So I’m guessing they have dropped women and both sexes can now enter.

So there goes a woman’s award in what was a pretty male industry (most senior bods and business owners are still men).

This is the second on two days I’ve seen. I have recommended we don’t work with either, since we risk monumentally missing the point of woman’s awards and events. And it’s my budget so nya nya ya boo sucks.

Well as long as the nine binaries are the female kind that should be ok

@Jaysmith71

I think part of it is the trauma Labour has endured in opposition, and the lesson drawn that Unity is all, don't rock the boat, get with the programme and repeat after me.....

My dream solution would be for the Queen Mother of the Labour Party, Dame Margaret Beckett, to send them all to bed without any pudding, take over as interim leader and tell Burnham and the Right Miliband to get their arses back to Westminster for a leadership contest.

Dreams.

I wish...

@KittenKong

Just out of interest - has anyone ever said “only men have a penis is something that should not be said”?

Sort of- a German Green Party newly elected TW MP has said, I translate, "a penis isn't per se a male genital". This btw is somebody who made it into the Bavarian regional assembly still based on male privilege, then informally transitioned and ran for Bundestag on a list seat reserved for women (other 50 percent of seats are technically open seats so wouldn't exactly be invalidating anyone's identity).