Labour's batshit opinions on women's rights

[PronounssheRa]

Conference season is highlighting some interesting opinions from Labour mps on women's rights (although when asked about women's rights they always turn this into a discussion on trans issues)

I thought it would be useful to collate into one thread, feel free to add.

Starmer 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4359097-Starmer-on-Marr-now

I have been really shocked this week.with the number of Labour MPs who have called women dinosaurs, not supporting single sex spaces etc. Ripnutmeg Twitter posts are quite frightening when it is all put together. The reaction on the conference hall to the Labour Councillor who is a transwoman was a standing ovation to an over emotive spiel without any consideration that women may have some concerns or a different view was really illuminating. The Labour Party are lost to me for now.

When the Tories are there for the taking, this is what will lose them the next election.
It's not about "hating trans people "; it's about hating loopholes that can be exploited by predators; it's about erasing words for women in the name of diversity but not doing it for men; it's about unfairness in sport; it's about calling people bigots for raising this.
Labour will lose.

I will continue to vote in every election but only after considering individual candidates rather than the party they stand for. The Labour Party have been shocking this week with their refusal to ensure women’s safety to speak. Elevating one group of people above all other vulnerable groups. Shameful times for the Labour Party.

As a lifelong Conservative voter, I should be rubbing my hands in glee at the Labour shitshow, which will lose them the women’s vote completely.
However, we need a strong functional opposition for our democratic system of government to work. Any party, including my own, becomes stale, and more dangerously unaccountable, after too many terms of unopposed office.
How many more elections must Labour lose before they drop the woke crap and go back to appealing to normal voters?

Jess Phillips championing the removal of asking the consent of a woman before her marriage changes

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3787357-Jess-Phillips-championing-the-removal-of-asking-the-consent-of-a-woman-before-her-marriage-changes

Jess Phillips in her own words:

"I helped write the document that demanded changes in self ID. I literally was part of the group of MPs who wanted change. Spousal veto for example is awful"

twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1213887262414581761?s=20

@ScreamingMeMe

Alex Sobel's tweets where he says he doesn't think women should have their own spaces, and that there are no problems with "gender neutral" toilets.

Wow. Just…wow.

They have no idea, do they? They put their political career, their public image, their need to be seen as “down with the kidz “ above everything else.

I already knew that most politicians had no integrity but the last few days have been so very eye-opening. I didn’t think my eyes could be opened further…

No way are Labour getting my vote.

Those tweets really are depressing

My DP sent me this handy Twitter thread this morning (apols if already shared)

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313?s=08

I’ve voted Labour all my life, my parents work for the NHS but I will vote Tory in the next election on this basis.

I never imagined ever saying that.

@Bellendejour

My DP sent me this handy Twitter thread this morning (apols if already shared)

mobile.twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1442783035389325313?s=08

I’ve voted Labour all my life, my parents work for the NHS but I will vote Tory in the next election on this basis.

I never imagined ever saying that.

Absolutely brilliant to collate like this. Thanks so much.

@QuentinBunbury

have noone to vote for

This is how I feel. I'm hoping that by the time we have to vote something has changed (wishful thinking no doubt ☹️)

This is not a party I would vote for any more - they frighten and enrage me in equal measures.

Can I ask what can be done about it?

I emailed the lancet & got a generic reply. I copied in my MP (Tory) & got a reply thanking me for sending me a copy my excellent email.

But what can I do to let labour & the other parties know that the exclusion of women’s rights is not acceptable. Unless they are your MP they don’t look at the correspondence I don’t think?

I’m not a dinosaur & I’ll be damned if some bigoted man should call me such simply because I want to be referred to as a woman.

Can I ask what can be done about it?

Labour claim this isn't being raised with them on the doorstep. We could targeted some MPs with letters and emails. But I'm sure I read somewhere that some MPs staff filter what the MPs actually get to see

Longterm labour voter here but fucking hell. They're so desperately woke these days, i don't know how they haven't connected this with losing votes. Its almost like they exist solely to ensure the tories keep getting elected.

Crazy, isn't it? They refuse to listen, or read, and then say it hasn't been raised with them.

@SpindleWorld

Crazy, isn't it? They refuse to listen, or read, and then say it hasn't been raised with them.

Utter lie. I have raised it with my elected member!

@PronounssheRa

Can I ask what can be done about it?

Labour claim this isn't being raised with them on the doorstep. We could targeted some MPs with letters and emails. But I'm sure I read somewhere that some MPs staff filter what the MPs actually get to see

This was pasted on a previous thread.

labour.org.uk/contact/policy-contact-form/

Use it to contact them to question / query their policy on women’s rights.

I contacted my Labour MP at the weekend, after the Marr interview, to say that was the final straw. But I wanted to let her know I thought she was excellent and I was very sad it had come to this as a lifelong long Labour voter, but I couldn’t vote for a party that didn’t give a shit about women (clearly I used better language)

I said the same in the policy link above.

Probably counts for shit, but hey, I tried. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Leafstamp

Great thread, thank you OP.

I’m another one who will be voting Tory for the first time in my voting life (25 years).

There are other political parties if you want to take a stand against labour. The tories are still a terrible party; this is not a 2 party state! Hmmm, I’ve said party quite a lot…

There are other political parties if you want to take a stand against labour. The tories are still a terrible party; this is not a 2 party state! Hmmm, I’ve said party quite a lot…

Lib Dems and Greens are just as bad on this issue. Up in Scotland, the SNP are worse.

Apart from the newly formed SDP (not the same as the original SDP) there aren't any other parties who speak sense on this issue. Even the Conservative Party isn't completely beyond reproach - see Crispin Blunt and Penny Mourdant.

You can always spoil your ballot rather than vote Conservative. I am aghast at what's happening to the Labour Party but there is no way the Tories are a friend to women, disabled, ethnic minorities. Tomorrow there might be fresh hope in Shahrar Ali.

@ElizabethTudor

I contacted my Labour MP at the weekend, after the Marr interview, to say that was the final straw. But I wanted to let her know I thought she was excellent and I was very sad it had come to this as a lifelong long Labour voter, but I couldn’t vote for a party that didn’t give a shit about women (clearly I used better language)

I said the same in the policy link above.

Probably counts for shit, but hey, I tried. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’ve done the same with my female Labour MP. I doubt it will make any difference to her, but I tried. I am so sad that it has come to this. Labour is a mess and nowhere near being credible opposition.

Even the Conservative Party isn't completely beyond reproach - see Crispin Blunt and Penny Mourdant.

God, absolutely @EdgeOfACoin.

The list is long, isn't it? Maria Miller as Caroline Noakes as Select Committee chairs were and are very damaging to women's and girls' rights having (a) been captured, and (b) been given a reasonably big platform to espouse their new ideological beliefs.

And tbh Liz Truss is the only woman to hold the Minister for Women brief that I can remember who has resisted the gender woo stuff. Previous incumbents were, iirc, the Tories Greening, Morgan, Rudd, Mordaunt. Woeful in the role of representing women's best interests.

I'm also thinking the attempt to meld 'women' and 'equalities' into one portfolio isn't working, not given the above and certainly not after the Labour conference and stuff like Lammy's mantrum yesterday.

I think left of centre women should be using the current political optics to get traction around the harms of gender woo, yes; but not trusting the Conservative Government as such, no. That is not to say that individual Tories are not honorable, admirable people, such as the Baroness and Lisa Townsend & other PCCs. These women are tremendous. As are Rosie Duffield, of course, and Joanna Cherry. We have to draw our political resources together.

Great thread.
Have you seen the article in the Evening Standard that looks at reasons?

www.standard.co.uk/comment/labour-trans-keir-starmer-rosie-duffield-labour-conference-b957703.html