Tortoise Media ThinkIn: Are gay people better off without Stonewall?

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Today at 1830

"Influential gay, lesbian and bi voices, including some its founding members, are distancing themselves from the organisation as a result of its recent focus on transgender equality."

www.tortoisemedia.com/thinkin/are-gay-people-better-off-without-stonewall/

(A thinkin is kind of like a webinar / panel discussion www.tortoisemedia.com/book/)

Tortoise did an appalling article about JKR, so will be interesting to see how balanced this is, and what experts they bring in. If you are not a member you can start a free trial.

I'm 40 mins in to the YouTube recording of it

Kate Harris of LGB Alliance at 1.01, completely lays into Stonewall. Well deserved.

I missed it in the end, I'm glad it was recorded - I'll watch later.

Kate was calm, concise and powerful.

Right, finished it - I have nothing to compare it to as I've never experienced a 'thinkin' before but it was just a lot of hot air no?

Oh bugger I just started another thread having not seen this one. I'll ask for mine to be deleted.

I've just watched it. I think that it was too complex a subject to cover in that time. I do think Stonewall is fucked though. Lots of people saying there are tensions between different protected characteristics and these need to be discussed, but Stonewall says no debate.

Then Jan Goofing saying of course Stonewall will debate and engage in discussion, but they work from a point of inclusion and acceptance, TWAW, and TMAM and if you don't believe that then they won't debate with you

Christine Burns was entertaining, used the ThinkIn as an opportunity to advertise their book. Said that Tortoise had allowed too many people from the other side to speak, that everyone was bigoted and not speaking in good faith etc. Kept butting in, eventually moderator just muted them.

There were some interesting points though. "Jonny" made the point that Stonewall first stepped over the line when their definition of transphobic included a failure to believe.

As an aside, the moderator mentioned they had done the Tavistock - it can be watched here:

www.tortoisemedia.com/thinkin/trans-kids-what-has-been-happening-inside-the-tavistock/

(I haven't yet)

Thought Kate was articulate, concise and furious. Very powerful.