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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Radio 4 Afternoon Drama - blimey!

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BoreOfWhabylon · 15/06/2021 14:39

Baselines
Drama

A drama by Mark Lawson exploring the challenges of the changing gender identity landscape for sport's governing bodies.

In recent decades, identity categories of all kinds have come to seem fragile and unsettled. Identity has become much more complex, fluid, and fragmented. As new categories have proliferated and old categories have come to seem ill fitting, we increasingly face uncertainties and ambiguities in identifying ourselves and categorising others.

Baselines considers whether male athletes transitioning to become women have an unfair advantage over born women due to their residual muscle density and larger physiques. And if so, how are governing bodies in sport to legislate to ensure a level playing field for all?

It's on now

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WarriorN · 15/06/2021 14:40

Blimey is exactly what I'm thinking as I listen!!!!

GiantToadstool · 15/06/2021 14:41

Literally listening to this in the car waiting for school run and came to post here!!!

I heard 2mins and was going to turn off thinking it wouod be usual stuff. But....!!!!

78percentLindt · 15/06/2021 14:41

Yeah came on to flag this up. Interesting!
Just heard the phrase "we've gone beyond penises"

WarriorN · 15/06/2021 14:42

"People are terrified to question the question the difference between men and women these days!"

I wonder if they waited to see what would happen with Maya's case before airing?!

GiantToadstool · 15/06/2021 14:42

Wow!!!
So many decent arguments.

"I'm identifying as a woman today."
Why aren't there lots of women wanting to play as men in sport...

Wish I'd heard the beginning of this!

WarriorN · 15/06/2021 14:43

Oh gosh Caster - dsd

GiantToadstool · 15/06/2021 14:44

And the brilliant point that declaring as trans as a teen is a focus on "binaries."

GiantToadstool · 15/06/2021 14:44

I'm going to have to miss the end of this to pick my child up!!!

BoreOfWhabylon · 15/06/2021 14:45

Teen male elite tennis player transitioning and wants to play as woman.

Don't know how it's going to turn out but all the arguments being set out.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 15/06/2021 14:45

Have to go out. Will catch up later on Sounds.

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GiantToadstool · 15/06/2021 14:45

Wow. Is he "girl fridaying" to play as a woman?

WarriorN · 15/06/2021 14:47

Hmm not sure - might be highlighting that men wouldn't put themselves through the process in order to get into the women's team.

actiongirl1978 · 15/06/2021 14:47

This is a repeat. I heard it originally some time ago. I found it very thought provoking and it opened my eyes.

AntiSocialDistancer · 15/06/2021 14:47

Starting it now thanks

GiantToadstool · 15/06/2021 14:48

Yes was beginning to think that now.
Wondering if I am overoptimistic!

But at least some good arguments are put forwards.

thenonsensepotter · 15/06/2021 14:51

I'm listening to this now, and was hoping someone would have already started a thread about it.
Unfortunately I've only started listening to it halfway through so at first I couldn't quite tell angle they were going for.

WinterIsGone · 15/06/2021 14:52

Here's the link
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000615s

GiantToadstool · 15/06/2021 14:53

Gosh yes - "next years girls under 17 could be played by the boys finalists from last year."

WarriorN · 15/06/2021 14:53

Ah I have v vague recollection of hearing a bit of it a while ago...

terryleather · 15/06/2021 14:53

Have to confess that as soon as I realised what this was about I switched it off - couldn't face more BBC propaganda around this plus the male tennis player is being played by a girl I think Hmm - but sounds like it might not be what we have come to expect from the BBC on this subject...

GiantToadstool · 15/06/2021 14:54

I was about to turn it off but really isnt what we'd expecf.

WatteauYouTalkingAbout · 15/06/2021 14:55

Yes that line GiantToadstool!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/06/2021 14:55

Thanks Winter.

TedImgoingmad · 15/06/2021 14:56

Have started from the beginning. Is the actor playing PJ (the MTF tennis player) actually female?

WarriorN · 15/06/2021 14:56

June 2019