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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans lesbian?

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Timeforatincture · 26/04/2021 18:39

My first ever post on this board. Long time reader, and have found it highly educational. Thank you everyone.

There is a pullout in today's Guardian about influential lesbians. Cameos and longer pieces. One of the longer pieces is an interview with a "trans lesbian."

AIBUin thinking that's a bit odd?

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nauticant · 26/04/2021 18:44

That depends on whether the person is a man or a woman.

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 26/04/2021 18:49

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 26/04/2021 18:57

It would help if you could supply photos. I don't want to denigrate a piece I haven't read. Depending on what "trans lesbian" means in this context, this could be odd from the Guardian, or entirely in character.

You might be interested in this thread.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3753214-The-Guardian-Blind-Date-23-November

Timeforatincture · 26/04/2021 19:02

The person in question is a TW called Bethany Black.

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YouJustDoYou · 26/04/2021 19:04

op, you're not allowed to think it's odd. None of us are.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 26/04/2021 19:08

I reckon that the article is entirely typical of the Guardian's coverage in this area, then.

Timeforatincture · 26/04/2021 19:11

Full disclosure: DD1 is gay so I have skin in the game.

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 26/04/2021 19:17

Tell her not to sign up to the Guardian's blind date feature, then. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3753214-The-Guardian-Blind-Date-23-November

thepostmillennial.com/the-guardian-set-up-a-cotton-ceiling-blind-date/

GNCQ · 26/04/2021 19:20

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334bu · 26/04/2021 19:25

Bethany Black is a transwoman and to include them in a list of lesbians is homophobic.

Giggorata · 26/04/2021 19:27

Isn't a trans lesbian a heterosexual male?

Timeforatincture · 26/04/2021 20:26

@Giggorata that's what I thought! Don't know if said individual has had surgery mind you. Would it make a difference?

And yes @GNCQ I do worry about DD falling foul of militant TWs

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Thelnebriati · 26/04/2021 20:29

The Guardian should read The Equality Act. 'Lesbian' has a legal definition and is a protected characteristic.

GNCQ · 26/04/2021 21:09

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littlbrowndog · 26/04/2021 21:15

Men can’t be lesbians however they identify. It’s homophobic

CroydianSlip · 26/04/2021 22:59

Have you read the comments on Stonewall SM posts today?? Utterly gobsmacjong insistence from many people that lesbiams who don't accept tw are transphobic and bigoted!

highame · 27/04/2021 09:05

but does it say gay men should accept TM.....

Ozgirl75 · 27/04/2021 09:14

Surely no actual lesbian is going to be attracted to a TW though? If they wanted a penis wouldn’t they just be straight? I mean, maybe they could be friends but surely if they want to have sex then that rather precludes a penis Grin
How very odd. Didn’t Eddie Izzard used to joke that he was a lesbian? Like, as a joke?! The joke being that he couldn’t be because he’s a man.

LasagnaEater · 18/06/2021 21:21

Hey there, lesbian here! The idea of lesbianism me and non-men attracted to non-men of course, so if they don't identify as a man they can identify as a lesbian. Some lesbians don't want to date trans women and that's ok, but I my self would Grin

334bu · 18/06/2021 23:08

The idea of lesbianism me and non-men attracted to non-men of course, so if they don't identify as a man they can identify as a lesbian.
???????Confused

334bu · 18/06/2021 23:09

What is a non man?

MrsNewms85 · 18/06/2021 23:14

Caitlin Jenner is a trans woman who is attracted to women but I don't actually think she has labelled herself as a lesbianism. I think unless a trans woman who identifies as a lesbian is doing something to cause harm to you by identifying in the way they chose to then you really shouldn't have reason to be upset about that. Live and let live.

AnyOldPrion · 18/06/2021 23:17

@334bu

What is a non man?
Just…. Kind of nothing. If you are human and not a man, in some people’s eyes, you don’t really matter and certainly don’t deserve your own word.
drspouse · 18/06/2021 23:17

@LasagnaEater can you say that again in English?

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 18/06/2021 23:44

Non-man 😒

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