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The Guardian... Blind Date 23 November

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Backinthecloset123 · 26/11/2019 04:10

I post this aware that I might get a warning.
However!

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/nov/23/blind-date-jen-anna-glasses-fog-up

The woman, a lesbian, Anna (and the Guardian readership) did not reveal that Jen is a trans woman.
The whole thing is gaslighting.
And I may be deleted for that sentence.
There is a good thread on Twitter which I'll link.

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Backinthecloset123 · 26/11/2019 04:11
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Backinthecloset123 · 26/11/2019 04:13

Sorry, the trans woman and the Guardian did not reveal. To the woman. The lesbian. Anger makes me a tad incoherent.

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Fallingirl · 26/11/2019 04:29

Horrific. Unbelievably disrespectful to play games with that woman.

Like a tweeter says, only women are expected to react nicely to being treated that way.

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HandsOffMyRights · 26/11/2019 04:46

How utterly deceitful and disrespectful towards Anna.

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HandsOffMyRights · 26/11/2019 04:53

Reading the Twitter comments, several asking why they chose a woman for this and how despicable The Guardian is.

Incidentally, I know of a single mother who was raped and strangled on a blind date. Chilling.

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NotBadConsidering · 26/11/2019 06:12

Without sifting through the whole thread, has Anna expressed any opinion on it? When you sign up for it, do you specify your preferences? Does she have any concern about whether her preferences were ignored?

Maybe when you sign up for it you can tick all the gender boxes you’re interested in and maybe Anna describes themselves in a different way to lesbian, one of those new woke terms 23 year olds are prone to.

Just want to be sure what we are dealing with.

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TheNameGames · 26/11/2019 06:28

@NotBadConsidering The twitter thread seems like Anna was clearly not okay with it.

This reply to someone’s comment from the OP of the twitter thread, Lara Adams Miller made me Hmm

If a major publication thinks that this is okay then we are absolutely in the grip of a major mass delusion. The stunt has a sever lack of decorum and sanity. It won’t be soon enough when these publications die off.
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It’s a damn shame because The Guardian has been relatively reasonable about the gender stuff prior to now. They’re one of the few outlets that actually publishes writing about women’s concerns on this.

What else does she read that she thinks the Guardian is anywhere NEAR leading on writing stuff or reasonable about this?

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TheNameGames · 26/11/2019 06:40

Also, fell down a bit of a rabbit hole reading the twitter feed from one of the people calling the OP a TERF: @indianblondy. It’s just.. I can’t.. even.. Confused

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ResistSexism · 26/11/2019 06:44

The Guardian sent a lesbian on a blind date with a male Shock Shock

It smacks of enforced homosexual conversion. Do they not know what a lesbian is?

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MangoesAreMyFavourite · 26/11/2019 06:55

Common or garden variety homophobia, innit.

Next up should be a straight bloke and a transwoman.

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Kit19 · 26/11/2019 06:58

Jesus fucking Christ this is an absolutely horrible thing to do! Every day I think surely there can’t be any more fuckery to come but there always is. Poor anna - to be put in a situation of a date with a bio Male knowing the moment you arrived the guardian had fucked you over and then having to make nice all the while knowing it would appear in the paper. The absolute cunts!!!

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Xiaoxiong · 26/11/2019 07:05

I read that item this weekend and had a good stare at the photos - it was obvious to me that one of the participants was a transwoman but as the article didn't make any mention of it I assumed the woman was aware. That is shocking that she wasn't told.

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stillathing · 26/11/2019 07:12

If this is as bad as it looks (ie she hadn't ticked a special "I'm attracted to multiple sexes/gender Ids" box), it's horrendous. No consideration given to power differentials there.

There's something very entitled about the way the rejected partner is huffing loudly about it over twitter. "it's her loss" etc. Why wouldn't you just quietly leave her alone?

How terrifying to be a 23 year old lesbian put in this position, privately in a one to one situation, then publicly on twitter.

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Gingerkittykat · 26/11/2019 07:12

I noticed that on page one of the blind date section they have four gay male couples and only two lesbian couples. So much for lesbian visibility, especially when one of the lesbians is a trans woman.

I counted up until page 7 and there were 52 male couples and 5 female couples.

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stillathing · 26/11/2019 07:19

Well this is situation is hardly going to encourage more lesbians to apply is it? Back to your lesbian bars girls. Oh hang on, no, you're not allowed them either.

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ResistSexism · 26/11/2019 07:20

Ginger the Guardian recently published the demographics of participants in the blind date column. I think it was an anniversary edition.

There have been waaaay more gay male couples than lesbians since the column started.

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BarbaraStrozzi · 26/11/2019 07:24

That's shocking.

I too read the article, and at the time of reading assumed that the young woman must have ticked boxes in the Graun office saying "pan, happy to date transwomen."

But no, it turns out the shits gas lit her and socially coerced her.

It's straight up homophobia on the Graun's part.

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theflushedzebra · 26/11/2019 07:24

This woman is being publicly shamed for not wanting a second date.

We don't know exactly why she didn't go for a second date - it could be because she is a lesbian and same-sex attracted, or it could be that she didn't click with Jen, and was being polite (women usually are polite when not wanting to date someone).

We DO know that Jen did not disclose to the Guardian that Jen is trans - because the Guardian have confirmed it.

The TRAs have decided that Anna is a bigot.

Don't anyone dare ever tell me that lesbians are not being shamed and abused for not wanting to date transwomen.

The Guardian... Blind Date 23 November
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MIdgebabe · 26/11/2019 07:28

Have they sent a transmale secretly on a blind date with a gay male?

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Kit19 · 26/11/2019 07:30

I’m Still Shock at this - someone at the guardian sat at their desk, read the profiles & made a deliberate decision to put a lesbian on a date with a bio Male. It’s such an appallingly shitty thing to do

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Kit19 · 26/11/2019 07:31

Ok just seen Jen did not disclose being trans, however the guardian did meet them so would have known

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TanteRose · 26/11/2019 07:32

I read that column most weeks.
that is truly shocking Shock

the deception, the response on social media, all of it - just wow

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OhHolyJesus · 26/11/2019 07:33

That screen shot

"Cis lesbians are not human beings".

Well don't try to date them then. Just leave them alone.

FFS.

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BovaryX · 26/11/2019 07:39

I stopped reading The Guardian some time ago because I found many of its writers increasingly unpalatable but this? It really is a nadir even by their standards. It’s deceptive bullying behaviour. What the frick made them think this was okay?

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Helmetbymidnight · 26/11/2019 07:39

gosh, i read the column on sat- thought blimey shes keen- and the other one isnt...

thats not fair, is it.

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