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British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications

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SheWhoMustNotBeHeard · 16/08/2020 00:04

Sorry for the post and run as O have got to go to bed. I don't have the full story either

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

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SentientAndCognisant · 16/08/2020 00:11

Your link is behind paywall

Thelnebriati · 16/08/2020 00:18

Someone who has access will post a link when they read the thread.

''Two police forces have been criticised for not welcoming job applications from people who ­believe that individuals cannot change biological sex, the Telegraph can reveal.''

But that 'belief' is scientifically correct and supported by current law.

Cabinfever10 · 16/08/2020 00:37
Shock
thehumanformerlyknownasfemale · 16/08/2020 00:57

So they only want deluded people who are in denial about reality?

Because that's exactly what we need from law enforcers 🙄

OvaHere · 16/08/2020 00:59

British police forces not welcoming ‘gender critical’ job applications

Norfolk Police advised an anonymous applicant that her views would “not be something we could ­uphold within the constabulary”

Norfolk Police advised an anonymous applicant that her views would “not be something we could ­uphold within the constabulary”
CREDIT: SURREY POLICE /PA
Izzy Lyons Martin Evans, CRIME CORRESPONDENT
15 AUGUST 2020 • 9:00 PM

Two police forces have been criticised for not welcoming job applications from people who ­believe that individuals cannot change biological sex, the Telegraph can reveal.

In emails seen by this newspaper, Norfolk ­Constabulary told a woman inquiring about a role in the force that the job “would not be ­suitable” for her ­because of her “gender critical” views.

After the candidate made clear that she did not think a person could ­physically transition to the opposite sex, another force in the South East said her views did not constitute “the behaviours expected” and an application “would be not successful”.

It stated that her views would likely result in her failing its “behavioural competency test”. One campaigner ­expressed concern at the two police forces deciding “which views are ­acceptable and which views are not”.

The revelation came after a serving police officer of 16 years anonymously emailed internal recruitment teams at 26 forces that were advertising for ­future constables.

The female officer asked if her “gender critical” views would be “a barrier to my application?”

“I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that whilst I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex,” she wrote.

The woman in her 30s received a response from 14 forces – two of which strongly suggested her formal application would be unsuccessful.

One of the forces was her own ­employer, a constabulary in the South East.

“I’m monumentally outraged that you couldn’t get a job doing what I do, and that my own job is in danger, ­because of what I believe – which is a belief that I think most people in this country hold,” the woman said.

After Norfolk Police advised that her views would “not be something we could ­uphold within the constabulary”, the woman challenged the response.

“My views on this topic do not mean I would act with intolerance or abuse, just as an atheist would be no less likely to be able to be respectful towards a person of religion,” she wrote. “If there were serving officers with these views (as I know that there are), would their ­employment be under threat?”

A recruitment adviser invited her to hand over “details and any evidence” of officers who may share her views so they could be “investigated”.

Trans campaigner Debbie Hayton expressed concern at the two forces’ responses, saying: “They are there to uphold the law, not to decide which views are acceptable and which views are not.”

A spokesman for Norfolk Police said: “Our objective as a police force is to always ensure our officers and staff continue to police in a way that builds trust and confidence by providing a service that is inclusive and unbiased for all.”

Chief Constable Ian Hopkins, the ­National Police Chiefs’ Council lead for diversity and equality said: “The entire police service is bound by and must ­adhere to the Equality Act and the ­police Code of Ethics.”

Onestepup · 16/08/2020 01:05

So the 'Code of Ethics' doesn't include freedom of speech, scientific fact, common sense or women's safety/privacy/rights then? Very disappointing to hear.

aliasundercover · 16/08/2020 01:24

A recruitment adviser invited her to hand over “details and any evidence” of officers who may share her views so they could be “investigated”

!!!

BrassyLocks · 16/08/2020 01:38

Why would someone state their GC views when applying for a job?

ItsLateHumpty · 16/08/2020 03:32

We Are Fair Cop are all over this.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1294759244655468544

“ Good news! You will no longer be sacked for believing sex exists!
You won’t get a job at all.
British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications' | via
@ telegraph”

Responses are heartening.

This situation is absolutely abysmal though.

”Our objective as a police force is to always ensure our officers and staff continue to police in a way that builds trust and confidence by providing a service that is inclusive and unbiased for all.”

Unless you don’t believe in gender. Then we’ll be as biased and as exclusionary as possible. You can trust us on that.

persistentwoman · 16/08/2020 06:15

The appalling statistics showing the failure to prosecute rape cases and the police's determination to hide the reality of domestic abuse against women by removing all sex based data would suggest the police are nationally very keen to actively discriminate against women - especially those who know and understand what a woman is.

PlanDeRaccordement · 16/08/2020 06:18

Next they’ll create a Ministry of Truth. It’s very Orwellian.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/08/2020 06:54

That is outrageous. But sadly not surprising when clearly we can change species and wear but plug tails.

British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications
MrsJamin · 16/08/2020 07:10

Bloody hell. What an expose by that woman! I'm guessing she is remaining anonymous because otherwise she'd be sacked?!

PaleBlueMoonlight · 16/08/2020 07:26

This is terrifying. It appears that all she said was that you cannot change sex.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 16/08/2020 07:29

Though, to be clear, pretty much whatever she had said about the realities of sex and the social construct of gender, it would still be terrifying.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 16/08/2020 07:33

Leaked video of police recruiting process ...

ThinEndoftheWedge · 16/08/2020 07:35

Shocking, but not surprising. Next step in all this bullshit.

Another nail in the coffin against preventing/policing sex based crime/victimisation.

Anyone got a useful email address to complain to?

National level?

Local level - Esp for Norfolk/Surrey?

What about the crime commissioners?

Sexnotgender · 16/08/2020 07:35

Wow. I can’t believe they actually admitted that.

KarenFitzkaren · 16/08/2020 07:38

It's not looking good for the police here is it. I suspect a legal challenge to this. The police seemed to have forgotten that their job is to apply the law, not rewrite it to suit themselves.

Janie143 · 16/08/2020 07:39

The request that she report colleagues who state the same "views" for "investigation" is shocking and terrifying

KarenFitzkaren · 16/08/2020 07:46

Those individuals who asked her to report her colleagues for understanding the truth need to be identified and dealt with (sacked).

BlodwynBludd · 16/08/2020 08:09

I really hope that she's allowed to remain anonymous.

cheeseismydownfall · 16/08/2020 08:23

I know words like "chilling", "terrifying" and "dystopian" get thrown around quite a lot around here (not without reason), but this is the real deal. Probably the most disturbing piece I've read so far. This is the fucking police. Christ. Huge credit to the officer for reporting, I hope she is protected. This story deserves to explode.

YeOldeNameChange · 16/08/2020 08:35

Very disturbing and at odds with the reality of the job itself. PACE recognises sex in searching for instance so PACE is transphobic

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 16/08/2020 08:45

The police and courts themselves ignore the law by allowing male criminals to self-ID as women. They then take action against anyone who disputes this. The law does not yet allow self-ID, let alone enforce it, but it has been slipped into common usage.

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