British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications

[SheWhoMustNotBeHeard]

Sorry for the post and run as O have got to go to bed. I don't have the full story either

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

Harry Miller has already challenged the College of Policing about its attitude to transgenderism and free speech
www.faircop.org.uk/

It’s an uphill struggle, but we have allies and people are starting to wake up.

I can't believe that this is actually true.

There are definitely GC men out there, would they also not get jobs with the police force. It just sounds so daft

I'm not sure that I disagree with this. I'm a Christian, so I have a particular set of beliefs which I base my life around, but when I was nursing, I had to leave those beliefs at the door. I wasn't allowed to share those beliefs with my patients (unless they were specifically asking me to, e.g. if a Christian patient asked if I believed, I would say I did). I am gender critical, but I wouldn't share that belief with a patient.

As a prospective police officer, I wouldn't share my privately held beliefs. So unless there was a question such as 'do you believe that TWAW?' it shouldn't come up during the process.

**The appalling statistics showing the failure to prosecute rape cases and the police's determination to hide the reality of domestic abuse against women by removing all sex based data would suggest the police are nationally very keen to actively discriminate against women - especially those who know and understand what a woman is.

^This^

@Lougle

I'm not sure that I disagree with this. I'm a Christian, so I have a particular set of beliefs which I base my life around, but when I was nursing, I had to leave those beliefs at the door. I wasn't allowed to share those beliefs with my patients (unless they were specifically asking me to, e.g. if a Christian patient asked if I believed, I would say I did). I am gender critical, but I wouldn't share that belief with a patient.

As a prospective police officer, I wouldn't share my privately held beliefs. So unless there was a question such as 'do you believe that TWAW?' it shouldn't come up during the process.

This is more akin to being banned from being a nurse for being a Christian.

Also, as someone said upthread, GC views are compatible with current law in this country... it’s the genderist view which is more akin to religion.

Furthermore, your faith would be a protected characteristic in the equality’s act

That is genuinely shocking.

Also - is that really a picture of two police officers holding puppy-fetishists on leads? Honestly really? Not photoshopped?

What on earth is going on?

Sex is a biological fact. It is determined at conception and every human either has a Y chromosome or they don't. This is not a 'belief' which cannot be proven. It is a fact.

I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary to proclaim that fact in the course of duty though? I absolutely believe it is fact, but the duty is to uphold the law, not proclaim/debate/discuss these facts.

What would the police do if a suspect was white but insisted they were black? 25 but claimed to be 14? 6 foot tall but claimed to be 5'2"? Self ID'd themselves as a police officer despite having had no training? Would these 'beliefs' be accepted by the police as if they were fact?

I think it‘s like saying you must believe in God to work here

@aliasundercover

A recruitment adviser invited her to hand over “details and any evidence” of officers who may share her views so they could be “investigated”

!!!

Oh my fucking god

If I don’t think the earth is flat can I join
Can anti vaxxers join?!

^A recruitment adviser invited her to hand over “details and any evidence” of officers who may share her views so they could be “investigated”*

Holy cow, McCarthyism alive and well.
Scientific fact isn't her beliefs or opinion for gods sake. How ca they do this. Madness.

In Scotland, under a new law being brought in, people will be be at risk of being arrested and sent to prison for expressing gender critical thoughts. Whoever they're expressed to

I’m a Christian, so I have a particular set of beliefs which I base my life around, but when I was nursing,

But stating you can’t change sex isn’t a belief - it’s fact.

It’s akin to being barred from the police force because you believe the world is round.

I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary to proclaim that fact in the course of duty though? I absolutely believe it is fact, but the duty is to uphold the law, not proclaim/debate/discuss these facts.

I disagree. I can see many situations this is vitally important, particularly when preventing and investigating crimes with sexed based patterns of perpetrator and victim.

@Lougle

I'm not sure that I disagree with this. I'm a Christian, so I have a particular set of beliefs which I base my life around, but when I was nursing, I had to leave those beliefs at the door. I wasn't allowed to share those beliefs with my patients (unless they were specifically asking me to, e.g. if a Christian patient asked if I believed, I would say I did). I am gender critical, but I wouldn't share that belief with a patient.

As a prospective police officer, I wouldn't share my privately held beliefs. So unless there was a question such as 'do you believe that TWAW?' it shouldn't come up during the process.

It stated that her views would likely result in her failing its “behavioural competency test”.

Recruitment for most such roles have psychometric testing at the application stage, with behavioural competency part of that. So if a question or questions pertain to this issue - and the response implies that they do - then yes, it comes up at the recruitment stage.

“I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that whilst I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex,” she wrote.

That is, she was told, unacceptable. And she was also told:

“My views on this topic do not mean I would act with intolerance or abuse, just as an atheist would be no less likely to be able to be respectful towards a person of religion,” she wrote. “If there were serving officers with these views (as I know that there are), would their ­employment be under threat?”

A recruitment adviser invited her to hand over “details and any evidence” of officers who may share her views so they could be “investigated”.

@Lougle

I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary to proclaim that fact in the course of duty though? I absolutely believe it is fact, but the duty is to uphold the law, not proclaim/debate/discuss these facts.

Well yes. But it is the police response that has made this an issue.

Why didn't they just say, 'This is not relevant. Our job is to withhold the law, nothing more, nothing less'?

Why are Norfolk Police instead saying this would ''not be something we could ­uphold within the constabulary”?

Why is a recruitment adviser talking about investigating officers who share these views?

Well least they were honest I guess.

How one is supposed to have faith in the police when they do not believe in reality I dont know though

Wasn't there a recording floating around at some point where the police were gaslighting an assult victim by calling her ex boyfriend she?

@Lougle

I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary to proclaim that fact in the course of duty though? I absolutely believe it is fact, but the duty is to uphold the law, not proclaim/debate/discuss these facts.

But it's not about that. She is asking about her career prospects. She could be someone who has publicly expressed gender-critical views. She may have supported JK Rowling or said that only women have cervices - don't forget that these things can now be reported to the police as 'hate'. She is right to be concerned about her employment.

Lougle
It would come up if a female officer was asked to strip search a trans woman because the force believes TWAW

Hope this works?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

They've been absolutely Stonewashed, haven't they? It's frightening how much influence this biased lobby group has.

@SunsetBeetch

They've been absolutely Stonewashed, haven't they? It's frightening how much influence this biased lobby group has.

And Mermaids and others. The officer who checked Harry Miller's thinking had been on a course where he had been told that a female brain can accidentally end up in a male body - do we know who delivered that training?

The press should get their own house in order. They actively support this bullshit with their absurd rules on preferred pronouns and identity-over-sex.