British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications

[SheWhoMustNotBeHeard]

Sorry for the post and run as O have got to go to bed. I don't have the full story either

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

Gottalife do you feel you have a "boy brain"? Why?

@HotSauceCommittee

I work for a police force and did openly challenge a stonewall rep during a diversity meeting. It was really embarrassing and I was sweating and shaking, (there was plenty of tutting and sighing) but rest assured, there are some of us who are GC and who won't hide it like it's akin to racism. Some of those Superintendents and Inspectors have been around the block enough to have written the book on male pattern offending. And that does not change for trans identified males. I kept my job, am starting a new promotion and training tomorrow, and the force diversity champion took my name after that meeting. Any investigation or professional standards involvement towards me will be put on record if it ever comes to that.

Congratulations on your promotion and good luck in your new job today. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Well done on speaking up and challenging the trainer. It can't have been easy. I can't believe they took your name!

Enjoy your first day. 🙂

Good to see this thread getting back on track, I think it's important.

Have we heard about this happening with selection to any other professions? Teaching? Nursing? Law?

This story is in the mail today www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8632995/Two-police-forces-slammed-refusing-job-applications-candidates-gender-critical-views.html?ico=amp-comments-addcomment#article-8632995

@PearPickingPorky

Gottalife do you feel you have a "boy brain"? Why?

No I feel I have a gender confused brain. But it doesn't bother me at all these days. I am retired and concentrate on my hobbies, friends and family, travel and my dog. I don't want relationships any more. Too traumatic.

This story is in the mail today

Judging by alot of the comments, I think this is the final nail in the coffin for the police. If people didn't believe what was going on before I think they certainly do now.

There will be serious consequences to losing the last bit of public trust they had.

@Floisme

Good to see this thread getting back on track, I think it's important.

Have we heard about this happening with selection to any other professions? Teaching? Nursing? Law?

it would be interesting to see how the discussions/questions were framed in a selection interview/questionnaire to identify these 'unacceptable' views.

No I feel I have a gender confused brain.

Given that gender is a social construct, what does that mean exactly?

@JanMeyer

No I feel I have a gender confused brain.

Given that gender is a social construct, what does that mean exactly?

I think it means that Larkin was right: The writer has been brought up by blue/pink zealots, sorry, parents. If you are a boy and you like the colour pink but are constantly told NO THAT IS A GIRL THING then it'll do your head in. They fuck you up your mum and dad. Don't dey?

mobile.twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1295345341257191424

HazzaTheOwl is on talk radio at 3 to talk about science denying police forces (my summary)

Floisme I haven't heard about any other professions having the same selection. Not yet anyway. If it's not stopped I can see it happening.

There's such a disconnect between organisations and what most people actually think or have little to no understanding of.

The Norfolk Constabulary seem to have rather disturbing ideas and practices.

What have relationships got to do with gender identity?

The story is in the Daily Mail and it looks like the National Police Chiefs Council are backing it. The Greater Manchester police chief has quoted the Equality Act and code of ethics to back up their views.

Well that was quite a good interview. Interesting how the host placed the potential for the political statements like rainbow laces etc as actually meaning something.

No one is interested in what the police are wearing or whether their cars are painted in rainbow colours. What they are interested in is do they show up when needed. Do they deal with victims sensitively and do they do their jobs well . Those abilities or lack of in individual officers do not change in anyway if they swap their socks for pride colours or wear cross around their neck etc

Its an empty gesture that in any other circumstances would be seen as much.

The story is in the Daily Mail and it looks like the National Police Chiefs Council are backing it. The Greater Manchester police chief has quoted the Equality Act and code of ethics to back up their views.

If only the police were this interested in disability rights and crimes targeted at disabled people. Funny isn't it, that after any of the scandalous disability hate crimes and murders there was no "back disability rights or you can't get in" headlines. Funny how they have no interest in protecting an actual vulnerable minority.
You would think a police chief could read the law he's quoting wouldn't you? Because doesn't the equality act refer to "gender reassignment" as a protected characteristic? In other words, they don't think humans can change sex either.

Jan Yes, the actual marginalised groups are getting sidelined. They don't have enough woke points. I

Yes, I thought that. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

It's worth listening to the whole hour when catch-up becomes available as there was an excellent caller in the last ten minutes. Sounded like a Mumsnetter ...

How far in were the calls so we can go straight to them?

Fair Cop have just linked the discussion on YouTube.

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=napox6tLUU4

There is a huge difference between treating people impartially which should be the police's basic ethical position and demanding police officers must have a specific viewpoint on any belief held by an individual.

Their role is to occupy the neutral territory, and from there deal with protecting individuals legal rights and personal safety.

I dont need to believe a man can become a woman to protect that person from violence or abuse. But the police seem to think that their role isn't to protect a woman who is GC from abuse and threats. We all deserve protection or none of us do.

Time the Home Office got involved. Seems our public servants are no longer public servants but a cabal, therefore, could we withdraw our taxes. I might ask my Local Authority that very question

There is a huge world of difference between supporting trans rights...which I think many here do at heart

( they would agree that transpeople are fully entitled to all human rights and also that provision should be made to ensure they can have those rights. This is not the same as saying transrights are women's rights )

.....and stating that anyone gender critical is by definition not supporting those rights.

They are guilty of some nasty stereotyping at best.

In case any police officer is reading

Gender critical tend to think that gender is a harmful construct and would therefore not apply it to themselves, they would push to ensure that gender is not used to hurt people,

they don't insist that other people must not use those terms about themselves
They don't deny that other people think about themselves in those terms
They don't deny that there can be obstacles to transpeople living their lives free of prejudice and fear

Gender critical people tend to be women, so in applying an incorrect stereotype against gender critical people they are also indirectly discriminating against women. Breaking the equality act.

Home Office is a Stonewall Champion, and ministers never seem to stay in post long enough to work out what is going on in the civil service.

Bottom line: the police have allowed their investigation of rape to drop to an all time low such that the Victims' Commissioner for England and Wales has said (in tones of despair rather than approval) that rape might as well be decriminalised.

At the same time, the same police forces have said they would not knowingly employ a woman who believed biological sex was real and formed the material conditions of our oppression (including sexual violence).

The police are in effect saying "we will not bother to police violence against women, and we will also refuse to even acknowledge their existence."

Would they be prepared to go public about this attitude for any other marginalized group?

We really do not matter do we.