British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications

[SheWhoMustNotBeHeard]

Sorry for the post and run as O have got to go to bed. I don't have the full story either

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

😂 Can you imagine if someone tried to identify as having Down’s Syndrome if they weren’t?

Especially if their reasonings were based on stereotypes.

I work for a police force and did openly challenge a stonewall rep during a diversity meeting. It was really embarrassing and I was sweating and shaking, (there was plenty of tutting and sighing) but rest assured, there are some of us who are GC and who won't hide it like it's akin to racism.
Some of those Superintendents and Inspectors have been around the block enough to have written the book on male pattern offending. And that does not change for trans identified males.
I kept my job, am starting a new promotion and training tomorrow, and the force diversity champion took my name after that meeting.
Any investigation or professional standards involvement towards me will be put on record if it ever comes to that.

Gottalife

I do not believe you can change your biological sex,”
Is a red flag.

Why didn’t someone tell me that you could change sex years ago before I spent a total of 7 years gestating, labouring, birthing and breastfeeding my 3 daughters.

I should have got my DH aka the ‘sperm maker’ to share the load.

Great- I’ll tell my three girls they are free of female bodily constraints.

Oh wait....

I wonder how they would have responded if written to as a Roman Catholic: ‘as a Catholic I believe that everyone should be treated with respect. I also follow the church’s teaching that we cannot change sex, would my Catholic faith be an issue to applying to join the police?’

Aesopfable

I've been pondering something similar re gay or lesbian officers, and how this impacts their ability to define same sex attraction, when biology is a red flag and anyone can identify as a gay man or a lesbian regardless of biological sex.

You know, I'm not sure there's any point trying to argue with someone who thinks biological sex is an irrelevant factor in understanding sex-based discrimination.

It's so far divorced from reality, I don't think you could even begin to have a conversation.

Though quite what such a person thinks is the basis of sex based discrimination, is a bit of a mystery.

I am a AIS survivor

Wow, tell us about your GPS transmitter and lifejacket mountability.

Seriously though. I googled "AIS survivor" in quotes because you don't "survive" a syndrome. I don't believe I've ever heard a person who genuinely has AIS or CAIS use the phrase and it sounded completely inauthentic to me.

Turns out - no one who has AIS or CAIS uses the phrase. All that comes up when you google that is information about Automatic Identification Systems used by Vessel Information Services. It was quite educational!

Anyway. This link is relevant I think. mrkhvoice.com/index.php/2019/08/01/why-do-trans-activists-claim-to-be-intersex/

gottalife
Get real. The police are not going to employ anyone who is potentially racist, homophobic, sexist, ageist or transphobic.

Do you... do you genuinely believe this? You actually think that a racist - or potentially racist, as you put it, I'm not sure what that actually means in reality - person would not be employed by the police?
All the people complaining about institutional racism are just making it up, are they?

Or did you mean to write something else? I can't tell. Words, and their meanings, matter.

Kantastic
Thanks for the explanation and link. I was really confused as to what AIS meant. I wasn’t thinking of intersex as it’s not something you can survive. Rather live with.

[quote Kantastic]I am a AIS survivor

Wow, tell us about your GPS transmitter and lifejacket mountability.

Seriously though. I googled "AIS survivor" in quotes because you don't "survive" a syndrome. I don't believe I've ever heard a person who genuinely has AIS or CAIS use the phrase and it sounded completely inauthentic to me.

Turns out - no one who has AIS or CAIS uses the phrase. All that comes up when you google that is information about Automatic Identification Systems used by Vessel Information Services. It was quite educational!

Anyway. This link is relevant I think. mrkhvoice.com/index.php/2019/08/01/why-do-trans-activists-claim-to-be-intersex/[/quote]
That's splitting hairs. It is the suicide attempts I survived. I think that was because of the hormone treatment But that was a long time ago now.
Claim to be? No my medical records are explicit. I was actually born with a vagina. Go ahead and attack me for that.
I am not a trans activist, just a sympathiser. I see I am really wasting my time here. Time I will never get back as they say.

Shame you don't have any sympathy for women and girls Gottalife

@DialSquare

Shame you don't have any sympathy for women and girls Gottalife

No I would do that on a misogamists forum. No sense preaching to the converted as they say.

Sympathy is transphobic.

Many of the modern transwomen today are perfectly happy in their bodies. They have no intention of taking hormones or altering themselves in anyway . I mean granted they go for the sympathy vote when it comes to campaigns and interviews but thats cos sympathy is one weapon of the very limited arsenal they have. Certainly there's no actual science or definitive proof of a girl brain in a boys body.

But actually dysphoria is not a requirement. Nor is any medical intervention. If you assume all trans people are dysphoric you are a witch to burn like the rest of us

I doubt your "compelling" arguments would convince them any more than they are convincing us of the opposite.

@Gottalife So you claim to have a disorder of sexual development yet you apparently believe humans can change sex. Doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
We're all still waiting btw, for you to explain why a person being aware of basic biology (i.e that humans can't change sex) is such a red flag.
And if you do really have a DSD how do you feel about trans activists co-opting language that relates to such conditions?

@Gottalife

I was just trying to say that people make such a big deal about biology but biology fucks up sometimes and then you use that faulty biology to define people.

Can you explain how biology has fucked up for trans people?

Also what is an 'AIS survivor'?

Anyway, back to the OP. As PPs have said, shocking as it is that the police hold those attitudes, it's quite something else to freely admit it and presumably expect no negative consequences?

Are there any procedures to filter out particular political beliefs or religious beliefs etc? e.g. having had any terrorist sympathies or joined any groups? I have actually worked for the police and don't recall any questions about this.

Never mind x post.

Someone born with a vagina is female.

I'm still confused as to how biology has fucked up for trans people though. Could you explain?

Well thats just sticking two fingers up at pathologisation and the state.
Can't say I blame them.
But I do believe in the girl/boy brain in the wrong body bit because of my own experiences.

If that were true though then there would be brain scans and biopsies that were part of the dx process.

There aren't.

But I do believe in the girl/boy brain in the wrong body bit because of my own experiences.

Just because you believe it doesn't make it true, people believe all kinds of crazy things.
So far you've jumped from human beings can change sex to girl brain is a thing.
The only thing that makes a brain female is being in the head of one.
What do you think the differences between boy and girl brains are then?
And no, no- one is "born in the wrong body."

@Gottalife

Well thats just sticking two fingers up at pathologisation and the state. Can't say I blame them. But I do believe in the girl/boy brain in the wrong body bit because of my own experiences.

Then why don't they just use brain scans to find out if someone is really transgender?

There’s no such thing as a girl brain,or a boy brain. That’s simply Neurosexism
Check out Gina Ripon, Cordelia Fine both excellent at debunking bad science & myth

Boy brain/girl brain is massively offensive to me as a women. That is what prevented women getting the vote, going to university etc, our silly little lady brains couldn't cope with such things.

This is not progressive it's regressive nonsense which is harmful to women.