British police forces not welcoming 'gender critical' job applications

[SheWhoMustNotBeHeard]

Sorry for the post and run as O have got to go to bed. I don't have the full story either

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/15/british-police-forces-not-welcoming-gender-critical-job-applications/

“I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that whilst I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex,” Is a red flag.

So you think understanding basic biology is a red flag? You aren't very bright are you? Or do you really believe humans can change sex?

And as for the police not employing anyone who's potentially a racist 😅😅😅😡 Guess they missed that memo didn't they. Yeah, if only being racist was a barrier to being a police officer.

@Gottalife

Get real. The police are not going to employ anyone who is potentially racist, homophobic, sexist, ageist or transphobic.

“I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that whilst I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex,”
Is a red flag.

They should also watch out for those nutters who believe the earth is round. Red flags everywhere .

Gottalife

Belief in science (biological sex is fixed at conception) is a red flag, really ? Are there any other areas of science which are red flags?

'Get real' - from a poster who appears to be telling us that humans can change sex is possibly my favourite quote on Mumsnet today.

And as for the idea that the police weed out all the sexists, or indeed give the slightest shiny shit about even attempting to weed out sexists... Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha (hollow laugh in case you were wondering).

We have the Victim's Commissioner for England and Wales pointing out that rape prosecutions have reached such an all-time low that rape might as well be decriminalized.

Yet here we have friggin' police forces spending time and resources chasing up people for tweets recognising basic biology, and implementing HR procedures to further marginalise women applicants.

Slow fucking hand clap from over here.

@Gottalife

“I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that whilst I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex,” she wrote.

Just change a few words in that statement

“I must point out that I am a white supremecist, which means that whilst I am firmly against abuse and discrimination of black people, I do believe that white people are superior,” she wrote.

You see the police see the bigotry behind the rhetoric.

To conceive of these two things as analogous, you must either believe that there is no such thing as biological sex, or that race has a scientific basis.

Could you clarify which is the case?

Of course the police never employ racists or sexists. 🤔
What planet are you on?
If they stopped fucking about with all this non crime twitter thought policing they could sort out thier massive racism problem and maybe even, oh I dont know, solve a fucking rape or two.
Is that too much to ask?
It beggars believe that not only do they do this, admit to it, but there are people here defending it.
The world has gone mad.

Get real. The police are not going to employ anyone who is potentially racist, homophobic, sexist, ageist or transphobic.

😂That's a good one-the police not hiring any racists. Satire, right?

Also, have you seen the homophobic shit coming out of TRAs mouths recently? They've basically branded gay men and lesbian women perverts. Must be a wonderful feeling to be part of the LGB community that worked hard for years and years to end those attitudes, only to attacked by the new kids on the block and called 'genital fetishists.'

They can fuck off with their double standards. Demanding kindness from everyone, whilst demonstrating homophobia, racism, and misogyny themselves. Police better not hire one of them then, eh?

Downes syndrome is biology but I don't make an issue of it. A lot of people on here are obssessed with trans discrimination. Biology should not be used to discriminate. Biology is a fucking nightmare.
I am a AIS survivor. These days I don't know what bloody sex I should be
but I get on OK with being female.

@attackedbycritters

Sorry, I was not clear. I was trying to demonstrate to gotalife how ridiculous their rewording " proof of transphobia through analogy efforts were.

Yes if you change words, you change the meaning. We can all play that game. My version just highlighting the misogyny ..at least that was clear !

Apologies I missed the sarcasm.

What has Downs Syndrome got to do with whether people can change sex? I guess that's a new one to add to the bingo card.

Downes syndrome is biology but I don't make an issue of it

I don't understand what you're getting at here, anyone with downs syndrome is protected under the equality act. This science denying bullshit weakens protections for everyone.

Downes syndrome is biology but I don't make an issue of it. A lot of people on here are obssessed with trans discrimination.

First off, it's Downs Syndrome, not Downes. And secondly what the hell does that have to do with your assertion that human beings can change sex? Why would you "make an issue" of it? What have people with Downs Syndrome ever done to you?
People with Downs aren't going around demanding that the rest of the world pretends they don't have the condition. Unlike trans people who are demanding that we ignore what's right in front of us, namely their actual sex. So yeah, i ask again what the hell does Downs Syndrome have to do with any of this?

I was just trying to say that people make such a big deal about biology but biology fucks up sometimes and then you use that faulty biology to define people.

Biology should not be used to discriminate ....utterly true. But sadly, we are many centuries away from that world

Women's rights are rights granted to women to level the playing field because women are routinely discriminated against.

Because females are physically vulnerable, they are often excluded from public life unless facilities are made available for them. Because they are typically excluded in any design process medicine often fails to treat them as well as men, they die more easily in car crashes . Women experience the same discrimination independent of their gender identity, based purely in their sex.

Biology should not be used to discriminate, but whilst it is, women need support.

It is not discrimination against men that they should not use the ladies loos, because they get Male loos.
It is discrimination to suggest that those loos should be used by anyone who feels like a women, as that excludes women. It is not discrimination to say that only women get pregnant. That's necessary for sex education, It is not discrimination to describe the heart attack symptoms for women as distinct from those of men Biology needs to be recognised and catered for without discrimination.

Ie exactly the opposite of the transgender position that biology should be hidden as hurtful

Gosh isn't that a threatening statement? I feel like a women.

I would love to know which other South East force has issues with this. I work for one and whilst I don’t post anything remotely GC in my private life (because of my job), I would definitely raise it at work.

@nicky7654

Good!

Bad!

nope Gottalife, still have no clue what argument that you are making in relation to people with Downs.

then you use that faulty biology to define people

Sorry I'm still not following.

A lot of people on here are obssessed with trans discrimination

No one else gets to access not only their own rights but those that don't belong to them aswell. It's hardly discriminatory to not be granted everyone elses rights on top of their own.

They have full access to the rights that correlate with their biological sex. And rights which prevent then from being abused, fired, mistreated for their gender reassignment status. Womens' rights belong to biological.women only. The same way I cant access rights afforded to those who are disabled because I'm not. And someone who isn't pregnant will not be granted maternity rights until she is.

I was just trying to say that people make such a big deal about biology but biology fucks up sometimes and then you use that faulty biology to define people.

But biology is a big deal, and we're all still waiting for you to explain why a person rightly stating that human beings can't change sex is a red flag?
And like it or not, biology does define us. Though i take issue with the fact you just described people with Downs Syndrome as "faulty." But you know what, having Downs Syndrome does define the people with it. It causes learning and developmental issues, it can come with heart problems which can be life threatening. People with Downs often can't work or live independently. So it does define them.

Oh yeah, and what does this "faulty biology" you speak of have to do with trans people? Because that's not rooted in biology at all. Biology does fuck up sometimes, but there are still only two sexes and people can't switch between them.

Biology should not be used to define people

Which is why it needs to be recognised , because if you don't consciously acknowledge and recognise the biological reality of different people, you create a world where men always win, because when push comes to shove, they shove hardest because they are biggest. And then they reward people like themselves,

Pretending it doesn't exist is the surest way of ensuring it will be used to define you and control and restrict you .

@Gottalife

I was just trying to say that people make such a big deal about biology but biology fucks up sometimes and then you use that faulty biology to define people.

You said: “I must point out that I am gender critical, which means that whilst I am firmly against abuse and discrimination to trans people, I do not believe you can change your biological sex,” Is a red flag.

Whether or not you believe that people can change their biological sex is not to do with 'faulty biology', it's to do with belief.

It is not possible to change your biological sex. Why is stating this scientific fact a 'red flag'?

@Gottalife

Downes syndrome is biology but I don't make an issue of it. A lot of people on here are obssessed with trans discrimination. Biology should not be used to discriminate. Biology is a fucking nightmare. I am a AIS survivor. These days I don't know what bloody sex I should be but I get on OK with being female.

Women are discriminated against the world over because of our biological sex. I'm sick to fucking death of being told we're 'weaponizing' our lived experiences to ''discriminate'' against others.

Believing in reality isn't discriminating anyone. It's not a crime to be decently educated and have a firm understanding of biology.

Are doctors who acknowledge sex discriminating? Should we reject those who believe in it?

@Gottalife

I was just trying to say that people make such a big deal about biology but biology fucks up sometimes and then you use that faulty biology to define people.

Are you saying trans people have faulty biology? Trans people go through puberty and receive massive amounts of sex specific hormones. We are just animals with a human brain tagged on the top. Hormones influence the way the body reacts to stimuli including in a social settings. It therefore isn’t possible to ignore biology. Moreover it isn’t possible to eradicate the effects of testosterone. This isn’t radical thinking. It’s biology.