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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman cringingly apologises for considering gender critical ideas

64 replies

NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 21:30

She sounds terrified and desperately repentant, like someone who has strayed outside a cult and is frightened of the consequences.

goddessandhearth.wordpress.com/2019/10/25/i-was-a-terf-for-a-month/

TERFs aren’t feminists. Or rather, they are, but only in the same way that the Westboro Baptist Church are Christians – they’re using it as a front for their bigotry and don’t care who they hurt.

I was kicking myself that I didn’t know. I already knew about SWERFs. I didn’t know that TERFs and SWERFs went hand in hand. And I hadn’t looked into SWERFery as I didn’t want to know.

I still don’t quite understand how I got sucked in, even temporarily. My mental state aside, I guess it’s what I have coined “ingrained transphobia.”

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NotTerfNorCis · 27/10/2019 22:20

SWERF stands for 'sex worker exclusionary feminist'. It's not something anyone calls themselves. This article explains what a 'swerf' is, although of course it's pretty biased:

www.dailydot.com/irl/swerf/

Sex worker exclusionary radical feminism is based on the idea that all sex work is inherently oppressive. They criticize sex work industries like pornography, stripping, and camming as contributing to the objectification of women, and criticize all sex work as inevitably leading to violence or exploitation.

Mainstream feminists see SWERFs as patriarchally trying to control women’s bodies, and speaking over marginalized women while claiming to know what’s best for them.

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 27/10/2019 22:26

Oh good lord

She is gonna be sooooo embarrassed when she looks back on this

Creepster · 27/10/2019 22:29

Surrender wife: "The Surrendered Wives movement is inspired by a book, The Surrendered Wife by Laura Doyle. Its supporters suggest that women should relinquish what Doyle deems to be inappropriate control of their husbands and focus on their own happiness in order to bring romance and intimacy back to their relationship."

Clearly her dom husband ordered her to apologize for her failure to submit to male dominance.

Creepster · 27/10/2019 22:30

I suspect most surrender wives are trapped in abusive relationships they cannot escape.

forkfun · 27/10/2019 22:41

God, I hate blogs. Unreadable self-indulgent twaddle.

littlbrowndog · 27/10/2019 22:47

Oh hey not terf. Yeah back 😂

Siameasy · 27/10/2019 22:52

She sounds like a people pleaser. People pleasing is a disease.

Karabair · 27/10/2019 23:11

Except TERFs and SWERFs whom she doesn't mind insulting with dehumanising terms.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 27/10/2019 23:34

She sounds not very bright and not very sure of herself. Combine that with female socialization and the surrendered wife crap and yeah, no surprises that you end up with a person who's desperate to be approved of.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 27/10/2019 23:36

Its supporters suggest that women should relinquish what Doyle deems to be inappropriate control of their husbands and focus on their own happiness

I mean, one way to do that would be to LTB.

(Is helpful)

Whatwouldbigfatfannydo · 27/10/2019 23:51

Fucking hell. Didn't make it past the vulnerable and mental health at rock bottom bit. Angry Everyone and anyone can suffer from poor mental health - doesn't mean we've been robbed of every fucking brain cell we have. Hmm

We are women who refuse to centre men in feminism.
Women do not have penises.
Women only spaces are for women only.
Women have the right to consent to/ or refuse the genitals they touch.
Young women and girls should be free of predators asking them about tampons.
Lesbians do not need to accept a penis no matter who it's attached to.
We will not die in grease fires or have our graves dances on by cheating, misogynistic, narcissistic MEN.
Our sports will not be ruined by men taking our places and stealing our achievements.
Absolutely fuck everything else!

ChipOnMyOvary · 28/10/2019 00:02

Pumpkin

Inebriati · 28/10/2019 00:03

littlbrowndog Is that you? Were your ears burning? Halloween Grin

BadgertheBodger · 28/10/2019 00:06

I was going to say stuff but Whatwouldbigfatfannydo has it

What she said ^

Also; dear Goddess it is annoying as fuck when people think they have tackled and taken down the key GC arguments. I’m yet to see anything of the sort. This one didn’t even try. Disappointing 1/10

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 28/10/2019 00:08

"And in response to all this GC stuff I say - abase yourself more, it's the feminine way."

Nah, don't think I'll be doing that.

HandsOffMyRights · 28/10/2019 07:15

Is SWERFery a 'thing'?
(Sorry, my surprise was at adding the suffix). Grin

Pota2 · 28/10/2019 07:17

It’s really quite something when to be a feminist means expressing outright hatred for other women who want to end exploitation (ie the SWERF rhetoric). God, men must be posing their pants at what they have achieved there.

AnyOldPrion · 28/10/2019 07:29

I was looking for her rebuttal of GC ideas, but all she's got is 'terfs are evil and mystical gender essences are real.

I was too. I think it’s the first time I’ve read a woman’s testimony where she started to listen to GC arguments, began to wake up, then decided she couldn’t bear this “awful bigoted hate fest” any longer and put her fingers back in her ears without giving the tiniest hint of what she disagreed with or any rationale for rejecting the arguments.

BeMoreMagdalen · 28/10/2019 07:29

I have read so many threads on FWR and articles and tweet threads by Dr Jane Clare Jones looking at Trans Privilege arguments point by point, dissecting the steps that got them to the conclusion that Trans privilege is true feminism, and aside from a lot of 'WTF are these people thinking?' In conclusion, it's been a thoroughly honest affair, trying to see if the arguments stack up. There's no point playing with straw men.

I have never read anything promoting Trans privilege that claimed to 'debunk' or even simply describe pro-woman's space ideas, that even got close. I have lost count of the times I've read feminists explaining to the authors of these fantasy arguments that they haven't understood the most basic things.

Pota2 · 28/10/2019 07:44

Yeah I have never ever seen a truly convincing account of why the TRA logic makes any sense whatsoever. It absolutely doesn’t stand up to scrutiny and even the professors who peddle it like Sally Hines cannot explain their own arguments

BlueCornsihPixie · 28/10/2019 07:59

Shes very desperate to be liked an good isnt she. The fact she cant see he irony of using this line:

She’s trans! How can she be a bigot?! I can’t speak over her, because I’m not trans, what do I know?

Says it all really. And are SWERFs really a thing? Is that not just feminism...

KatvonHostileExtremist · 28/10/2019 08:15

It's all so religious.

I was tempted by the devil, but my sins are laid bare. Etc.

Daft

Pota2 · 28/10/2019 08:19

She obviously has some issues. Anyone claiming to be a surrendered wife should have some counselling to work on their self-esteem rather than trying to sell their warped perception of reality as something that others should also do.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 28/10/2019 08:33

I can't say that the combination of "surrendered wife" and "desperately wants to please men even if she doesn't know them, will happily throw every other woman on earth under the bus in order to do so and chastise them for not doing it themselves preemptively" is a surprise. Women with that mindset are never happy with just abasing themselves to men, they always have to try to force the rest of us into doing the same.

SnuggyBuggy · 28/10/2019 08:59

I agree with TheProdigalKittenReturns, it doesn't seem like she has thought this conclusion out for herself but has selected the people to tell her what to think. No rebuttals against GC arguments. It was a depressing read and if it wasn't for the other things referred to I'd have assumed she was only a teenager.

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