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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

No secondary sexual characteristics? No longer a woman

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/09/2019 16:14

Just saw this on Twitter. I think it's a screenshot from Facebook. What a load of offensive, uninformed bollocks.

No secondary sexual characteristics? No longer a woman
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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/09/2019 16:15

The man posting it said it refers to a woman who had a double mastectomy for medical reasons. Angry

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/09/2019 16:18

Odd, isn't it. Every one here can define women to include ALL women AND exclude men.

This only men who cannot do this...

yulet · 20/09/2019 16:18

Yeah it's shit. I hate being appropriated by people like this with this sort of argument.

Just because I'm infertile doesn't mean I'm now a man, and it especially doesn't mean that a man is therefore a woman like me.

Sex is biology, that's it. I can't see why they get so tangled up in definitions.

"Gatekeeper" is one of those words that makes me roll my eyes now too.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 20/09/2019 16:19

So many people who suddenly have no idea what a woman is when any primary-aged child could accurately sex 99% of people in seconds.
The more I see this nonsense, the more cultish it feels. It's well beyond any kind of logic and well into religion imo

CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/09/2019 16:20

So... no tits = not a woman?

Misogynistic claptrap. Shows just how much he thinks women exist merely to satisfy a man's desire for sex

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/09/2019 16:21

I see on the Twitter thread someone has made the reasonable point that we don't know the provenance of this. The trouble with that is I have seen very similar points made and we all know that lawmakers and professional bodies are taking this kind of thing very seriously. I find this baffling. I keep trying to think about the first time this came up in meetings, maybe 15 years ago. Why didn't people just laugh and say 'no' and move on?

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CharlieParley · 20/09/2019 16:30

So a female undergoing mastectomy + reconstructive surgery = biologically female

But a female undergoing mastectomy w/o reconstructive surgery = male?

And what about the woman who has a mastectomy first but reconstructive surgery much later? Is she not-female during that time?

Obviously this is abject nonsense even besides the fact that sex has never been defined by secondary characteristics alone.

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 20/09/2019 16:32

Is he partaking of a contest to be as offensive as humanly possible towards women?

Because if he isn't I have no words for just how utterly vile he is.

MrGHardy · 20/09/2019 17:20

Conversely, if a man.has.boobs, but otherwise is perfectly male, what is he? Boobs say women, cock says man. This dude must implode trying to compute that.

twelvecolourfulbirds · 20/09/2019 17:22

How big do your breasts have to be to make you a woman, then? What if you are flat chested, does that make you a man? What about men with moobs? Are they women?

How these utter idiots have the ears of lawmakers is beyond me.

Propertyofhood · 20/09/2019 17:22

What the fuuuuuck?

How fucking dare he say that?

Fraggling · 20/09/2019 17:27

It's men who have always defined women like this and gauged how 'woman' we are based in things like breast size, presumed fertility, how tall etc.

For lots of men women over a certain age seem to be more or less invisible.

It's all misogynist drivel obviously.

Supergrassyknoll · 20/09/2019 17:42

Are flat chested women men now then? Fucking ridiculous

DuMondeB · 20/09/2019 17:47

Where do girls fit into this? Are they pre-women (will get tits ones day) or non-women (no tits right now)?

DuMondeB · 20/09/2019 17:50

Conversely, if a man.has.boobs, but otherwise is perfectly male, what is he? Boobs say women, cock says man.

One of my DH’s sayings is ‘there is no such thing as chicks-with-dicks only men-with-boobs’.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/09/2019 18:11

So Angelina Jolie isn't a woman any more, then?

What this shows me is that the kind of men who support trans activism are misogynistic to the core, and also horrible people in general.

Bezalelle · 20/09/2019 18:22

The "exclusionary" thing is such utter claptrap. Definitions are by their very nature exclusionary of things they don't include.

The term "dog" is exclusionary of cats.

The term "women" is exclusionary of men.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 20/09/2019 19:29

People are fucking stupid

The end

Propertyofhood · 20/09/2019 19:49

I don't understand how a woman who has had their breasts removed 'doesn't reach the criteria for being biologically female anymore' either?

So his criteria for being biologically female is a pair of tits?

Huh, says it all really doesn't it....

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 20/09/2019 19:51

In that case my neighbor is a woman. Which is odd, since I thought he'd just been eating too many burgers over the summer.

aliasundercover · 20/09/2019 19:52

What about men with moobs? Are they women?

Brilliant. Thank you.

HowDoIMoveOnFromThis · 22/09/2019 09:47

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