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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Motheroffeminists · 28/04/2019 22:01

..."I believe, after some thought, that transwomen are women and transmen are men. I don't think you can change sex, it's just that gender identity doesn't always match with biological sex for all people. In addition to this, I believe in equality for all oppressed groups, and I don't think you further the rights of one group by undermining the rights of another. Men kill, rape and abuse women every day and don't need to ID as women in order to access women's safe spaces. Karen White was a failure of the prison service to segregate a sex offender from other inmates in that prison. The trans debate involves some horrible discussions around the issues and these seem to be based on women worrying that self ID will lead to more violence against women. As I said before, men don't need self ID to access women's safe spaces and commit crimes, they'll do it anyway."

I'm at a loss as to how to respond to this. I had asked someone their opinion on trans issues and women's rights. The bit that had me HmmConfused was about furthering the rights of one group by undermining another unless they meant that trans rights should not trump women's rights although I interpreted it the opposite way. Their thoughts seem confused and contradictory and to follow popular opinion rather than be based on critical thought. There was something about what it feels like to be a man or a woman too but as this board has shown repeatedly, no one can answer that. As a woman, I just feel like me. I've never been anyone else so I can't possibly know what it's like to be someone else whether that's another woman or a man.

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DpWm · 29/04/2019 20:02

To say there's no such thing as gender identity is literal violence. You are denying transpeople their existence who are now all killing themselves because of you, this makes you a Nazi. The fire that you should die in is this way --->
Just saying.

Who, in the public sphere, can actually be bothered with the inevitable torrent of abuse and hyperbole.

9toenails · 30/04/2019 09:44

Yes, DpWm. I know you are joking, of course.

But ' To say there's no such thing as gender identity is literal violence '.

... Again, my response is, 'No it is not. To say there is no such thing as gender identity is not even metaphorical violence. It is no sort of violence at all.'

As for the 'torrent of abuse and hyperbole' you mention. I avoid that by not being twitterate or book-faced, whatsapped or ... well, you get the picture.

Nevertheless, sauce/goose/gander: such abuse and hyperbole is no sort of violence either.

Yes, if there are practical and moral (even legal) consequences of foolishness and nonsense such as promulgated by 'gender identity' people, such consequences do need to be dealt with. Online abuse? My response is the same as I had long ago when, in the early days of the internet, it seemed for a while that email was going to be choked by foolishness and nonsense such as ads for dick enlargement pills and so on. We sort of dealt with that, then. Can we deal with contemporary abuse and hyperbole similarly? I hope so.

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