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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Just listened to the Mermaid school training audio

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NotAJellyBaby · 29/03/2019 12:23

Jesus fucking Christ. I mean, I've seen the "jelly baby spectrum" picture but to actually hear this person come out and say that if you're not princess barbie then you're not really a woman is just... so... ahhhhh! How are the lefty liberal break-down-stereotypes crowd supporting this?! How is this being allowed in schools?!

Link for anyone who hasn't heard it.

Is anyone else actually starting to consider home schooling if this insanity doesn't stop?

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R0wantrees · 29/03/2019 12:30

thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3454658-recording-of-mermaids-training

& transcript posted by
Imherefornow Sat 22-Dec-18 16:20:25
Here are the links to the transcripts thanks to a wonderful mumsnet collaboration. Share as you will smile

docs.google.com/document/d/1NDOMlo2aEpBl2ySfKdEWCb1H94tZciKiqUffjH1ku0Y/edit?usp=sharing

docs.google.com/document/d/1aeFV0T6j4PXvm1xZBS_50oSJYV-_gO8YMoFjKjNA_9Y/edit?usp=sharing

December 22nd 2018 Times article by Janice Turner:
'Trans ideologists are spreading cod science
Those who defend controversial charity’s right to a £500,000 lottery grant should really listen to what it is preaching'
(extract)
"Are you a Princess Barbie jelly-baby who likes frilly dresses, high heels and takes ages to get ready? Or a GI Joe jelly-baby who wears boots and functional clothing? Did you know that your preference for pink sparkles or muddy sports isn’t down to societal expectations of boys and girls. No, it’s written in your chromosomes. And that’s science.

Well, science according to Mermaids, the charity for trans children, in a presentation understood to be given to thousands of teachers, health workers, police and politicians, and part-funded by the Department for Education.

I listened to a recording of this bizarre 90-minute training lecture and wish others could too. Particularly those who pride themselves on rationality and evidence-based thinking: atheists, fans of Richard Dawkins and Ben Goldacre’s Bad Science; those incensed by climate change deniers on TV or creationists in schools; the same people who are tweeting #istandwithmermaids because the Big Lottery Fund is reviewing, in the light of an outcry, its decision to award them a £500,000 grant.

On tape the Mermaids trainer tells us that humans don’t come in two sexes, male and female, sperm and ovum: “Most people still think that way,” she says airily. “But what we know now, thanks to advances in science, is that the human race has up to 42 different sets of chromosomes.”

Biological sex is on a spectrum, she says, like skin tone and (seriously) bra size. A person’s “gender identity jelly baby” has nothing to do with how we are raised: it is inside you at birth. You know you are a man because you walk like a man and like “manly” things. A listener questions why this lecture is based upon stereotypes and is told “you’re going too clever”. (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-ideologists-are-spreading-cod-science-m8n0pdbq3?shareToken=eb2c06153578d29f71c393769844ab17

NotAJellyBaby · 29/03/2019 13:07

Thanks. Just read the second half of the transcript. Seriously scary stuff.

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R0wantrees · 29/03/2019 13:12

NotAJellyBaby
Its often much easier to see what's going on in the transcripts.
Im so grateful to those who do this valuable work and make important discussions & speeches accessible.
(not least because my typing ability is very poor!)

Melroses · 29/03/2019 13:13

Have you got to the dimmer switch?

Light and dark is a spectrum, donchaknow?? Grin

R0wantrees · 29/03/2019 13:15

I know, it took me half an hour to get past these points.
O'level physics may be a distant memory but some things... well you do just know / should know?

Melroses · 29/03/2019 13:18

I hated O level Physics, but it did teach me something after all Wink

R0wantrees · 29/03/2019 13:27

Mermaids offer training not just to teachers from their website:

"Mermaids general training provision

Mermaids has trained professionals in the NHS, Police Service, Social Services, Schools, CAHMS and the workplace. We tailor all of our training to the specific needs and timeframes of each enquiry, if you are interested please get in touch by emailing us on training@ mermaidsuk.org.uk or complete the contact form with a summary of numbers, location and a general overview of your current situation. For example, if you are a school supporting a child to transition, or an NHS trust, wishing to skill up key staff members with information and understanding of gender variance in children and young people."
www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/transgender-training.html

NotAJellyBaby · 29/03/2019 13:33

My favourite bit was "you just need to take a step down academically". Yes, to accept this shit, that's exactly what you need to do.

Also:

Mermaids: "I never said that"
MAW: "It's right there on your slide"
Mermaids: "Don't put words in my mouth"
MAW: "I'm literally reading it directly off your slide"

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Melroses · 29/03/2019 13:47

My favourite bit was "you just need to take a step down academically"

So true, so true. Grin

WrathoftheWorstkIop · 29/03/2019 14:46

Thankyou op for bringing this training session back in to the open.

The second half is particularly eye opening.

R0wantrees · 29/03/2019 14:48

see current thread about trans health conference today, Mermaids Charity represented by Susie Green CEO (panelist)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3545929-Trans-Health-Conference-on-now

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