"Defending my mental illness; Gender Dysphoria"

[NeurotrashWarrior]

I couldn't see another thread about this, but I felt it's an extremely good take on why the narrative "born in the wrong body" is so, SO damaging, especially for children.

I'm feeling more passionate about this every day. This is such an awful message that so many woke or uninformed educators are merrily communicating to children now.

www.chooseyourowndiagnosis.com/?m=1

Bump please share.

I cannot sing this video and site's praises enough!

Aaaasrrgh! JF grooming again!

www.independent.co.uk/voices/trans-people-japan-sterilise-the-economist-twitter-lgbt-discrimination-a8832041.html

It IS sterilisation of young people! Fine if you're and old man, fill your body modification boots, don't fuck the kids up!

Jane Fae (from link above)

"I dream of a time when the tables turn, when the media puts as much energy into examining the stability and motives of those who obsess about trans people.

Until then I can only say: words matter. And if you think it’s OK to spice up your readership figures by sensationalising what are, for some people, literal life and death issues, then you are complicit in the consequences. All of them."

yes words matter....
report for Jane Fae's TRA conference 'We're Still Here'
(extract)
by OP TheHarpySings Thu 18-Oct-18
4) Equalities Act

So… there was a kind of informal meeting during lunchtime about The Equalities Act which was being run by everyone’s favourite advocate for extreme porn, Jane Fae. Edward Lord turned up, straight from a meeting with the City of London Corp. PlEASE NOTE THAT FAE AND LORD DID NOT WANT THIS SECTION TWEETED.

Edward Lord. He was dressed like Tweedledum. Or, if I’m feeling generous, a Mario Brother that doesn’t get invited to Xmas dinner anymore.

Mr Lord was very bumfaced about the Andrew Gilligan article about him in July and said that opposition to the GRA consultation just wanted to “cause mayhem.” He directly mentioned the Man Friday Hampstead Pond stuff.

Apparently “there have been no incidents of men turning up to the women’s pond but Man Friday turned up to the men’s pond and demanded admission- by force if necessary.”

As of 8/9/18, 15.5k people had completed the attitudes survey.

Lord said that TW were entitled to the protected characteristic “Woman”- he said the Gov dept on woman and equalities has confirmed this. Apparently the brave and stunning vexatious litigator Giuliana Kendall has something to do with this being confirmed.

Edward Lord is worried about the 125 elected members of the London assembly or whatever the fuck Londoners have governing the city. Not all of them are onside. He is worried that all of this is going to be discussed at committee and that “terfs are going to protest”.

Jane Fae said that JF has been in contact w/ YHA and GirlGuiding. Fae is of the opinion that the law doesn’t distinguish gender and sex. They are not defined and parliament will not define them.

The TRAs are fully prepared to take local councils to court of they try to invoke EA2010 for reasons of sex. JF was nodding at Giuliana when JF said this.

James Morton (Scottish Trans Alliance) said to be “strategic about test cases to ensure strong case law”.

Edward Lord agreed. He also said that the City of London Corp city solicitor and the Chief Exec are “strong allies”.

Regards the consultation doc put out by the City of London Corp… Lord implied that they were going to go through the answers and cherry pick the the qualitative snapshots.

One of the Mermaids mums in attendance said the “banner of concerned mothers of vulnerable children shouldn’t be captured by bigots”. Lord is meeting officers about how data is presented and is “conscious of that line of argument”

Jane Fae said the GC side are spreading a myth of predatory males- which doesn’t happen (!!! Lolz Karen White). And also spreading the myth that that TW are paedophiles (Loz Karen White x2).

Then (and Fae didn’t want this tweeted) apparently, there ARE terrible people exploiting The Equalities Act. And they are…

Man Friday
We Need To Talk
Fair Play for Women

According to Fae, all of the above have broken laws and engaged in upskirting and crotch shots of TW. Fae talked about debating Amy Desir of Man Friday about refuges. Amy talked about how female socialisation essentially stops us from refusing TW in our spaces.

JF then asked people not to tweet this next bit because it is libellous: Amy Desir took her husband into the Next changing rooms to commit voyeurism.
Fae (shouting): “Who is the pervert now?!!”

JF hopes that Amy and Man Friday are prosecuted" (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

apologies that should read, "report from Jane Fae's TRA conference..."

examining the stability and motives of those who obsess about trans people

I can tell you. We are obsessed with protecting existing rights for women and safeguarding of children. That’s it.

I think that examining the stability and motives of males who insist they have a legal right to enter spaces where girls and women are vulnerable, with their pants down, naked, and/or have just been raped or beaten by males is COMPLETELY WARRANTED.

I think that anyone who doesn't agree with that needs their own motives more closely examined.

very interesting about wanting to blame our bodies for our issues.

I don't think the link in the op is working/ right. This is the video I'm trying to link to:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=O3oPe3OfPJA

I cba to give JF any more of my energy. Thanks R0.

Why would we want to upskirt transwomen? We all know what they are and unless you are in a relationship, there is no need to look at anyone’s bits, real or adapted. 🤮

Neurotrash Its a really interesting video & important perspective thanks for sharing.

defintely better to listen to Erin Brewer (than JF)

"Transgender activists are saying that children with gender dysphoria should be transitioned because, they claim, a child with gender dysphoria has been born in the wrong body. It is considered transphobic to suggest that gender dysphoria can be a symptom of an underlying issue and that transitioning a child with gender dysphoria promotes self hatred. I suffered from childhood gender dysphoria and I am speaking out to defend gender dysphoria as a mental health issue as well as to challenge the idea that changing stereotypical behaviors and presentation is all that is needed to change gender."

Thanks for the quote R0.

The more I analyse this the more I realise how extremely fucked up for kids affirmation is.

I remember seeing statistics for actual numbers of children who start hormones or blockers at the Tavistock some time ago. I remember it was only one or two a year; the rest decided to / were supported to watchfully wait.

I fear there is so much "awareness" being whipped up to the general public ie 'poor' trans kids when most of them are gender non conforming and dealing with a lot of mh issues plus basic bullying that the approach described by Erin will be swept under the carpet.

NeurotrashWarrior there's a great deal of abuse that is being hidden by the affirmation of gender identity model.

My fear is that gender specialists are especially blind to understanding how abuse and trauma impacts girls & young women

Agreed Neurotrash
The Paedophile Information Exchange spent years telling us that children had the rights to self determination and to have sex with adults if they chose. They presented their demands as an equality issue - human rights, age of consent was oppressive, if a child wants sex with an adult adults had no right to say no.
It took years before people on the left saw this for what it was - adults grooming children below the age of consent for their own ends. And many politicians went along with it... until the proverbial hit the fan..... which continues to this day in some quarters.

Sorry - that should read "if a child wants sex with an adult it was oppressive for adults to disapprove"

Feels like history repeating.

According to the 'gender gp', Helen Webberley, recently suspended from practising in the UK, “If your child says they are transgender, they probably are.”

Despite her suspension she is holding a Q&A on 31st March

According to Webberley: "[Being transgender] is not something someone chooses to be, and it is certainly not a mental disorder."

Not repeated exactly but it definitely "rhymes" I mean the PIE never sought to actually sterilise children and young adults.

I can tell you. We are obsessed with protecting existing rights for women and safeguarding of children. That’s it.

~ Agree.

The video is really worth a watch!

That video is incredible, what an amazing women who speaks a lot of sense.

Piece on PIE where similarities leap out at you. www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

The chooseyourowndiagosis link is so good. She is like my twin in terms of gender dysphoria and how I feel about that and its relationship to body disconnect. I am so very pleased your shared it. It's such an important voice, often missing out of these debates. I feel so empowered after watching and so much love in my heart for the woman who made that.

That video from the woman who has gender dysphoria is incredibly revealing.

It has the ring of authenticity from start to finish.

And dovetails, completely, with the new research that shows transitioning actually increases the self harm of young women.

Saying that telling the woman her body is wrong, i.e. affirming, of course is going to make the woman worse. She will want to self harm, and it won't do anything to reconcile her mental schism.

Here is the link again, in case anyone's missed it.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=O3oPe3OfPJA

This video is the voice of truth, sanity and reason. It's this message that should be taken into schools. This message that therapists should be standing up for.

I am so grateful for people like Erin and the young de-transitioned women from Pique Resilience etc, who have immense courage to share their stories publicly.