Radio 4 now! The affect of testosterone on athletic performance.

[GassyAss]

Actual scientists talking about it and it's affect on transgender athletes.

Just listening to this and came here to find a thread.

Two men discussing - muddling trans and intersex - mention puberty and then ignore its effects.
I cannot say how much I hate the BBC.

What did they say....

Just found it!

They seem to be dancing around the topic somewhat.

Dr Adam Rutherford BBC Inside Science. Only seem to be talking about testosterone so far.

10% better, hey? Only in norms, mind you, not athletes...

There seems to be much confusion of trans and intersex.

It does seem a bit woolly.

Primarily about the Semenya Case.

it makes me annoyed this idea that sport is unfair so hey, lets make it unfairer.

He is being very cautious. 'if we wish to be 'ultra fair' to women's as if women are asking for too much fairness!
Presenter 'it is quite clear that the science is very complicated' no it isn't!!!!!

Well that was a big lot of nothing.

pretty shit really

Testosterone positive and testosterone negative? Is he trying to say male and female?

That was very wet and woolly. Apparently scientists on 'both sides' are selective with their data. Has everyone forgotten what sex is?!?!?!

That was infuriating

Women have testosterone between .5 and 3 so we've set it at 5

I've complained already. So sick of this. Can't any at the BBC face a counter view? FPFW could have made mincemeat of that.
No mention of why transmen aren't cleaning up in male sport. Rubbish.

I think it was the amused tone that made me so furious. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE DOING???

Why did they have a man in to speak on this? Are they honestly saying that they couldn’t find a single female expert?
He was a professor of women’s health I believe.

And why not clarify the many other biological differences - average weight, height, lung capacity etc - that are in play.
It's not just testosterone that has an impact, FFS!

They did touch on height a little.
But what about being socialised as male. Being encouraged into sports far more than girls?

So angry, this is the BBC responding with a na na na na boo boo. Because last week I got so sick and tired of RM being invited to talk about the science of sport on the BBC and pretending to be a scientist that I complained to the BBC "can't you find a real scientist to talk about this?"

They have answered with wooly "scientists on both sides" crap. Actually, science does not have sides. It deals in reality. How 'bout some reality, BBC, not obfuscation?

I think it was said that that there was no proof that extra testosterone would not lead to men having a superior advantage over women, but there was something right at the beginning said about a spectrum !!!! Much too much about intersex and problem of intersex person competing. Utter waffle...eg opposing sides of argument having equal weight ...grr

My DH just quoted Bob Badour: Science has as much use for sides as an internal combustion engine has for a foreskin."

Bring out the science.