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No Martina. All transwomen are born male!

24 replies

CosmicCanary · 26/02/2019 19:25

Don't do it.
Do not go back and be dishonest.
I had so much hope that you saw through the TWAW crap.
Do not be bullied in to submission by males.

No Martina. All transwomen are born male!
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Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/02/2019 19:44

Oh for goodness sake

I appreciate it must be a very difficult time for her

But still...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 26/02/2019 19:46

See now i feel bad as she must be under so much pressure!

But still...

happydappy2 · 26/02/2019 19:48

Transwomen are transwomen, women are women. No hate in saying that.

HandsOffMyRights · 26/02/2019 19:50

She's being given a hard time. Some lawyer called Chase Strangio has chosen their words very carefully. And they've bought kids into it now.

twitter.com/chasestrangio/status/1100228588496924672?s=20

HandsOffMyRights · 26/02/2019 19:51

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No Martina. All transwomen are born male!
CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 26/02/2019 19:53

It was bound to happen, bullying works unfortunately.
We have all made one step of progress this week.

Original poster
CosmicCanary · 26/02/2019 19:54

Christ they hit all the flags on the freedom programme...emotionally abusive ( suicide threats), gaslighting ( TW are born female) and finally they go for the children....sick fucks.

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ToeToToe · 26/02/2019 19:55

It's like watching emotional abuse of a woman via twitter. I'm really uncomfortable reading it. The pressure being put on her is unbelievable.

ToeToToe · 26/02/2019 19:56

x-post, OP. It's horrific isn't it?

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 26/02/2019 19:56

It's like watching emotional abuse of a woman via twitter.

It's not "like" that, it is that.

ToeToToe · 26/02/2019 19:58

It is, Captain.

Katvonfelttipeyebrows · 26/02/2019 20:03

To be fair she has always treated transwomen as women. Renee Richards for example.

There was a journalist arguing for the GC side on woman's hour, Helen Lewis, who feels that too.

I think as a society we need to decide in what situations sex is key, and what situations gender is. I think this is why Martina said what she said. Sex is key in sports.

She's taking huge amounts of shit from the woke stasi, she's been hugely brave.
I don't care if people don't 100% agree with me on everything.

HaroldsSocalledBluetits · 26/02/2019 20:05

This is an exercise in gaslighting.

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CosmicCanary · 26/02/2019 20:06

I think as a society we need to decide in what situations sex is key, and what situations gender is.

We already did.
S3x segregation has existed forever...well when women were allowed out of the house.

Gender is a new kind of bollocks and it means fuck all.

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MillytantForceit · 26/02/2019 20:22

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Iused2BanOptimist · 26/02/2019 20:27

Oh oh. Watch it. I got a deletion for mentioning Men in frocks. Hmm

OvaHere · 26/02/2019 20:31

She will get there in the end. All the pile ons and bullying only ever push people in one direction.

Iused2BanOptimist · 26/02/2019 20:36

I think she's still working on her boundaries.
There's a difference between "I have always called trans women women and accepted them as such" , especially in day to day social life and actually believing TWAW.
She means pronouns and polite acceptance surely. Which has nothing to do with sport.
What other red lines she may have is anyone's guess but probably not a fan of puberty blockers given previous pronouncements.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 26/02/2019 20:38

Stay strong Martina

Although even if she caves - as many have done under this abusive, coercive bullying against any woman daring to refuse to obey the ideology - the means by which she was forced to cave, and the knowledge that she was bullied, threatened and harassed into caving will do the job all by itself. It won't be any kind of victory, it just shows the TRA lobby in a very clear light. And it makes the establishment who allow them to behave like this look even worse.

AnyOldPrion · 26/02/2019 20:39

I see what’s happening to Martina and am glad not to live in the US. It may not be that much better in Europe, but the discussion seems to be (edging towards) happening now in the U.K.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 26/02/2019 20:42

Incidentally, to the Eyes That Police Us Here, the way the TRA lobby could have won would have been to say ok Martina, everyone's entitled to their opinion and we're ready to listen and work with you.

And everyone would go wow, classy, and there could be some actual calm discussion. Since screaming and threatening about love and tolerance doesn't really help, why don't you give that one a try?

Vixxxy · 27/02/2019 10:57

She will waver a bit in the face of the mass abuse from men with years of manipulation 'skills'. I am sure most of us did. Its certainly a shock to the system to be branded a 'bigot' for the first time in your life...and TRAs ave been pretty relentless with her, even by their standards.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 27/02/2019 11:04

It's like watching emotional abuse of a woman via twitter.

It's not "like" that, it is that.

It is. Even if Martina doesn't see it, lots of other people will.

nettie434 · 27/02/2019 11:27

I think as a society we need to decide in what situations sex is key, and what situations gender is.

Totally agree Katvonfelttipeyebrows!

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