When feminism abandons girls - excellent article

[DancelikeEmmaGoldman]

@AbigailShrier: Where is all the outcry over girls losing top spots on sports teams or the privacy of locker rooms to biological boys? It's nowhere. Feminists abandoned girls.” via Twitter

www.city-journal.org/transgender-equal-access

I don't think feminists are abandoning girls in the UK and here in NZ the Speak Up for Women Coalition have said all of the above to every single MP in Parliament, not to mention Cabinet MPs and the Attorney General. What is depressing is the knee jerk reaction of those proposing the Self ID, women who ask intelligent and pertinent questions are called transphobic and worse. We just have to keep pushing the difference between sex and gender. There is a reason women and girls need legal protection and safe spaces. It is because of violent men.

A very good and reasonable article.
I fear for my daughter, I never thought she would have worse shit to deal with than i did. But she does and she will.

It maybe nowhere on Twitter, as Twitter has shown its partisan leanings very clearly. Banning a transwoman for saying a transwoman is biologically male? Pshaw!

But elsewhere... women have very much NOT abandoned girls.

Oops! SOrry.

Women are still shouting the message about loss of privacy, safety and dignity.

Men, organisations, governments (and Twitter) are all busy being 'woke' and trying to ignore all those things that simply don't happen.

But women have not been aquiescent. We WILL be heard eventually. It is unthinkable that we won't!

I don't think feminists are abandoning girls. I think people calling themselves feminists are abandoning girls.
And it comes from this utter lack of comprehension of the realities of sex-based inequality for women and girls.
I can't help thinking that so many of the so-called twitter feminists today who prioritise male people over female would be those who would said they definitely weren't feminists ten years ago because 'it's not like the 1950s anymore and i dont hate men'

You're right... I'd forgotten the weird cohort of women who wholeheartedly support TWAW!

I think they are being abandoned by "self identified" feminists.

Illyria47

I am afraid that these two NZ organisations are already lost.

www.ywca.org.nz/blog/2018/we-support-trans-rights

www.ncwnz.org.nz/feminism-and-trans-rights-must-go-hand-in-hand/

I imagine for these institutions it's all about individuals like the transwomen in the stories below. One is a late transitioning man, and the other started her transition as a child. The fight against Self ID is not a fight against people like Rhona and Bella, and Rhona does seem to realise that, which is good.

www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/106826722/playing-for-keeps-transwomen-fight-for-their-worth

I think people calling themselves feminists are abandoning girls

this

when the BBC presents a male who advocates for extreme porn as a 'feminist writer', what the fuck does 'feminist' even mean any more (jane Fae yesterday on BBC1)

but women are not abandoning girls. far from it

On another thread (probably the 'is feminism in crisis') there seems to be some feeling we should return to straightforward 'women's rights' and 'women's liberation' rather than be mired in whatever feminism is deemed to be nowadays (be that libfem, 'equalism ' or whatever.).

Seems to me that the new ReSisters groups are very much on the page of Women's rights, not about the details of 'feminist theory'. While some aspects of that may be useful, there are other parts that really aren't - especially where 'women's studies' mutated to 'gender studies'.

Nah, I think US based Abigail just isn't very aware of what feminists are doing outside of her field of vision. Ms Helen Watts could tell her a thing or two about the raging battles in UK Guiding and that's just for starters...

I wonder if "liberal feminists" will see the light once men start pushing them out of their roller derby teams.

I don't think feminists are abandoning girls. I think people calling themselves feminists are abandoning girls.

This.

"I think people calling themselves feminists are abandoning girls"

Yes, the US is a lost cause with all the "third wavers" now