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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Easyjet and girlguides. Any gender can be a pilot

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GetOvaIt · 11/10/2018 21:53

Easyjet has teamed up with girlguides to show girls they can be anything, including a pilot.

www.facebook.com/easyJet/videos/540333139762521/

Fantastic. Except they say "Any gender".

And how does telling girls they can do historically male jobs fit with believing that liking girls things makes someone a girl? Surely if you like "masculine" things like plans you must be a boy? I just don't get how girlguides can reconcile their message on what girls can achieve with their views on transgender identify.

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LemonJello · 11/10/2018 22:03

On the one hand, we have gender stereotypes that are so utterly pervasive that we have to have campaigns to educate young people that it is actually possible for girls to be pilots.

On the other hand, we have the concept of ‘gender identity’, proponents of which expouse that children know their gender innately, and entirely independently from the stereotypes children are steeped in.

Redshoeblueshoe · 11/10/2018 22:08

It's a pity that a girl can't go to guides if she is the wrong gender
FFS

Redkeyboard · 11/10/2018 22:10

What is gender then?

Redkeyboard · 11/10/2018 22:11

If boys and girls can do the same things why change gender?

KatVonGulag · 11/10/2018 23:28

Any gender can be a pilot. Great. What about sex?

Notveryblissful · 12/10/2018 01:25

Gender and sex are interchangeable, stop making something out of nothing

Mamaryllis · 12/10/2018 02:18

James, James, James, don’t be silly. Sex is reality, gender is just made up bollocksery. Men can’t magically change into women. Women can’t magically change into men. Both men and women can suffer from various forms of discomfort due to either the physical presentation of their sex, or the bollocks gender rules that but jobs assign to sex. Some of them are treated (medically/ psychologically) by something we call ‘transitioning’. It’s a treatment to help them feel more comfortable in their bodies and social presentations.
It doesn’t mean that magically anyone has changed sex.
People who believe that gender presentation (habits, clothes, hobbies, mannerisms and personalities) actually is the same thing as their sex are regressive and a bit hard of thinking.
Don’t be like those people.
This is mn.
We deal in reality, not wishful or regressive thinking. HTH.

Mamaryllis · 12/10/2018 02:20

And as someone with no skin in the game, it’s really creepy that you hang out on here.
Just saying.

Roystonv · 12/10/2018 02:55

mam basic, assertive and honest sex v gender definition/explanation.

Turph · 12/10/2018 03:50

It's a positive thing by easyJet. They do have a fair amount of female pilots, so it's not just lip service.
Shame they used the wrong word, but the fact they are trying to show girls they can be pilots too is the main thing.

deepwatersolo · 12/10/2018 05:15

But, but... how can I know, which gender I am, once the terms like ‚girl toys‘ and ,girl profession‘ lose their meanings?

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Longdistance · 12/10/2018 17:26

This is my daughters Brownie camp. I think you’re looking too much into this.

Melamin · 12/10/2018 17:26

Trans women are women, trans women are adult human females. Non-trans women/females are cis.

Brilliant! This reminds me of make-believe in the school playground. Grin
I'll be teacher, you can be pupils and you, over there, can be the school hamster. The others running around the playground can be the zombies trying to invade.

Redshoeblueshoe · 12/10/2018 20:08

Longdistance if this is your DDs brownie group you should certainly be looking more deeply into what's happening with girl guides. I'm sure you can find a few threads about it

AspieAndProud · 12/10/2018 20:27

If people could just change biological reality by calling them something else we wouldn’t need airlines, we’d just call ourselves birds and fly to Majorca under our own power.

Longdistance · 13/10/2018 00:12

Well, quite frankly, the subject bores me.

My dd’s go to Brownies, I have a flying background. I also have a friend who’s dd has changed careers from a crappy office job in London, to becoming a trainee (First Officer) pilot for EasyJet.

If you look that deeply into the wording of an encouraging article about females becoming pilots, I suggest you get a hobby, or a life 🙄

Budgieinaberet · 13/10/2018 00:39

I don't know what to say.
Are you happy that your daughter might share a tent with a boy, and you will not be told about it
And if you find out and complain
Then you are the transphobic bigot ??
Okay . . . . .

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