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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This is how you think when you refuse to listen to the other side

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whiteonred · 11/06/2018 13:50

freedomnews.org.uk/its-spelt-sisterhood-not-cis-terhood-statement/

I mean really. If they spent time listening to what gender critical feminists are saying instead of silencing them. If they spent time listening to what gender critical feminists said instead of believing their own publicity, then they would not write such bullshit.

And look at some of this stuff:
When the TERFs recently prosecuted an anarchist trans woman for assault, with the help of the metropolitan police and the magistrates court, they sent a message to us: they believe that their opinions are more important than the well documented physical and mental risks the police and the courts system pose to minorities
Even leaving aside the factual inaccuracies (the CPS prosecuted the case, not feminists), this is arguing that women should allow themselves to be literally beaten into silence, and not prosecute their attackers. Because their attackers might find prison tough. Well fuck that. Women's opinions are important because they are human beings in a democratic society. AND THAT INCLUDES THE OPINIONS OF WOMEN I DON'T AGREE WITH. If people use illegal methods to silence women they are responsible for the consequences of their own illegality. Their victims are not. I can't believe that needs to be explained to anyone, let alone a self-defined feminist.

It was a deliberate provocation of vulnerable trans community to get the desired result of them being arrested You made me do it! (where have women heard that before?) You made me do it, you know, by, like, trying to have opinions and talk to other women! I told you not to do that. I forbid it! You made me hit you!

We will never accept snitching to the police after an event, when the personal risk is over, to be a valid form of resistance. ' What?! Can they hear themselves? Women reporting assaults on themselves is not a valid form or resistance! Shut up little lady, the danger has passed. Back in your box now. If you are really angry, maybe you could write an anonymous letter to your local paper or something. But standing up to your attacker by reporting them to the police.
Don't be such a grass. Anyway, don't you have any concern for your attacker, you cold hearted bitch. They might HATE prison. Ever thought of that?

And this is published by the FREEDOM press? Can't they hear themselves?

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slug · 11/06/2018 14:40

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changeypants · 11/06/2018 14:49

this is a men's rights movement.

there is no other way that it would have gained so much traction so quickly. there is no other way that there would have been access to funding and to influence power structures.

i do not think that everybody who blindly supports it is an MRA though. the hope is those people will slowly begin to see the movement for what it is. i think that rubbish like the above, with no pretence at keeping the woman-hating aggression under wraps, probably helps with that in the long run.

Beamur · 11/06/2018 15:17

I haven't clicked the link, but did they really say 'snitching'? Is this written by a 7 year old, come on!
I had a little talk with my primary school age DD (a proud snitcher) about how 'not snitching' is what bullies say to you to stop them from getting punished for their actions. Thus the bully tries to make the snitches carry the can for their bullying - not just in the playground it seems!

whiteonred · 11/06/2018 15:18

I'm not so optimistic. Culture is powerful. People see things as they believe they are - not as they actually are.

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whiteonred · 11/06/2018 15:20

They actually say snitching. Yes.

They are a huge list of signatures as the bottom of that letter too.

All congratulating themselves on how progressive they are for gaslighting woman into believing they cause the violence they suffer from others.

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 11/06/2018 15:29

I notice Tara Wolf has signed it.

53rdWay · 11/06/2018 17:51

True sisterhood is letting the men hit you and then going away to quietly reflect on how mean you were for provoking them!

Fuuuuuuck that.

thebewilderness · 12/06/2018 00:52

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.
2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a violent hate crime.
3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against me therefore male violence against women is justified.
5th rule of misogyny: Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

Ereshkigal · 12/06/2018 00:58

this is arguing that women should allow themselves to be literally beaten into silence, and not prosecute their attackers. Because their attackers might find prison tough. Well fuck that.

Yes. Shockingly misogynistic.

Ereshkigal · 12/06/2018 00:59

It was a deliberate provocation of vulnerable trans community to get the desired result of them being arrested

Such bullshit.

thebewilderness · 12/06/2018 01:06

The women deliberately provoked the TIMs by keeping the venue secret so that the poor d00dz had a very difficult time planning and executing their crime. Still the heroic boys who identify as girls prevailed and not only did three of them assault a woman at Speakers Corner but they followed the women to the venue and terrorized the entire neighborhood chanting "Burn it down" until the police arrived.

For some reason they do not seem to be upset with the neighbors for reporting them to the police.
Just the women they attacked and terrorized.

Ereshkigal · 12/06/2018 01:09

Still the heroic boys who identify as girls prevailed and not only did three of them assault a woman at Speakers Corner but they followed the women to the venue and terrorized the entire neighborhood chanting "Burn it down" until the police arrived.

Indeed they did.

mancheeze · 12/06/2018 01:14

The first few words of this long mansplainy abusive article were hilarious

'This statement was penned by a group of women who are angry with the recent rise of anti-trans feminism

There is only ONE feminism and it's about FEMALES. It's kinda in the name.

I conclude this long ass mansplain is typical male violence since it resembles what male batterers do.

'As feminists we reject the TERF notion of a woman. That our gender and therefore our roles in society are determined by biology is a sexist idea that we have spent our lives rejecting'

You can always tell when men pen a rant on feminism. They can't even get the arguments we make correct.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/06/2018 01:31

My experience with extended family over the weekend reassured me that none of them, it turns out, swallow a word of the transactivist dogma.

One DB said men who insist on sharing women's single sex spaces are, by definition, dodgy. Doesn't make any odds how they identify. It's the boundary breaking that's the issue.

Ereshkigal · 12/06/2018 01:42

Agree with your DB there Prawn.

tobee · 12/06/2018 02:40

All this ginormous bollox about the women getting the case prosecuted. Just endlessly screams juveniles who've never been told know. We are fucking up our young people by living in a society that encourages no platforming.

tobee · 12/06/2018 02:41

No not know ffs.

OlennasWimple · 12/06/2018 03:14

the more they speak, the more they show us who they really are.

Southfields · 14/06/2018 11:56

Someone fem-splained the flyer.

This is how you think when you refuse to listen to the other side
BettyDuMonde · 14/06/2018 17:08

Seriously considering making myself a

Cisters not Misters t shirt in order of this odious statement.

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