Women's Hour Today : Seduction Training

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Anyone else listen to this today? They were interviewing a woman who was talking about "Seduction Training" I've heard of this before and obviously it's disgusting but they mentioned LMR (last minute resistance) and how these courses teach men how to "overcome" a woman's LMR. A quick google showed me this

www.pualingo.com/last-minute-resistance-lmr/

I don't think I've ever met a man that would pay money to be taught this shit... but they must do... what do others think? What sort of men are investing time and money in this? How is it allowed?

Vile pathetic scumbags I suspect other men paying money to be taught this stuff.
Honestly it’s things like this that make me #peakmen

I think there’s lots of men who love this sort of stuff.
Reminds me of the Tom Cruise character in Magnolia

Glossary needed here:
"pick up artist": a serial coercive rapist
"last minute resistance": a woman saying or indicating "no"
"overcoming lmr": coercing sexual compliance

The whole of Game/PUA is predicated on a woman's "no" being the start of a negotiation, not her final answer to be respected.

And yes @hotrocker this makes me #peakmale and want to #killallmen or retire to a womyn's land somewhere.

How is it allowed? Because too many men see women as things, not as full human beings.

Thanks for posting this, I meant to listen to it but life got in the way. I’ll have a listen later.

I looked at that link. Honestly I despair

This is the "cotton ceiling" type seminar training that is so popular among MRAs and other misogynists.

It's how to groom an adult woman - disgusting stuff- it's a shame we don't take grooming of adults seriously

I think it is worse than just being about ‘too many men’ subscribing to this view.

This is what our culture teaches all men and boys about heterosexual relationships.

Ugh that is gross
"biological response that causes a woman to freeze up before having sex"
Fuck off you rapey bastard.

I hate the world sometimes.

I listened to it. I don't think there's much difference with the views and attitudes towards women of some of these men and those featured in the segment about online Incel groups etc a few weeks ago:

The 'Manosphere'
"The incel rebellion is just one of a number of men's rights groups that have been accused of vulgar sexism, under the umbrella collective of the 'manosphere'. We hear from Mike Wendling an assistant editor at BBC Trending, and Ruby Lott-Lavigna an online journalist who's spent time undercover exploring the manosphere and the people behind it."
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09zt3qq

transition smoothly to sex so as not to give her an opportunity to interrupt.

Rapist manual 101. Fucking twats.

I am laughing my arsenal off.... "ASD is believed to be a response to societal conditioning. Most societies consider a woman who frequently has sex a slut. In the case of ASD this social conditioning overwhelms her biological desire to enjoy physical pleasure."

Is sex a lot of physical pleasure all the time? I think some men think very highly of their sexual prowess.

Maybe we need classes to teach all kids about consent.

And what exactly do these "men" do if their "technique" fails them and it's still no?
Worrying.

Link to the Woman's Hour segment:
" the 'seduction community' - the world of men who think they can learn to attract women through training and practice. There's an industry of seminars, guidebooks, and tutorials, and a lot of money to be made from teaching 'skills'. So what does it tell us about these men and attitudes towards women? Rachel O'Neill is a Research Fellow in Sociology at the University of York and author of Seduction: Men, Masculinity & Meditated Intimacy."
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b39v0g

We know what happens. Then she blames herself and he moves on to the next target

How is this in any way shape or form seductive anyways?

It’s not seductive. The word seductive is used to make it more palatable.

Yeah, hand on heart I’m not a huge fan of pua. They lost me at negging never really made it much past that.

Even the assumption that it is a fear of being a 'slut' that holds women back!

There could be a huge number of reasons a women is not interested I'm sex.

I'd say the word 'seduction' could be replaced with the word 'pestering'.

@Italiangreyhound There could be a huge number of reasons a women is not interested in sex.

I don't want to risk cystitis, I don't want to get pregnant, I don't want an STI, I'm allergic to your latex condoms and don't have my own latex-free condoms to hand, I have thrush or BV, I'm mid-miscarriage, I've just had an abortion and can't have sex for two weeks, I'm menstruating, I'm lesbian, I have a partner, I'm tired, I'm drunker than I thought I was so want to wait until morning, I've changed my mind, or simply I don't want to.

Most of this problem disappears if your bar is enthusiastic participation as opposed to merely “consenting” to having something done to you! That might a sufficient bar to prevent criminal action, but it’s not really good enough to promote mutually satisfying sexual encounters.

@TransExclusionaryMRA Most of this problem disappears if your bar is enthusiastic participation as opposed to merely “consenting” to having something done to you

This. Q: "How do I know that she's still consenting?" A: "She's actively participating."

@bd67th I'll see your 15 and raise another 15....
I don't find you attractive; the smell of your breath is nauseating; I've tried to leave the conversation three times and you are trying to keep me here; you are not taking my no for an answer; I don't find you attractive and just wanted to talk to you as another human being not jump into bed; I'm very religious and sex before marriage is out of the question; I'm wearing my Bridgette Jones pants; I think you could be a life partner and don't want to scare you off; you are too old for me; I am too old for you; you are dating my best friend; I though you were my best friend; I'm on a sex fast; I need to get home to catch the latest episode of 'The 100'; you are not my type...Any other fucking reason there is......

Just listened to the interview. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b39v0g#play

Felt the interviewer pushed rachel O'Neil a little, "Would you rather men got their ideas from seduction techniques or porn?" Or words to that affect.

Rachel boldly replied neither! She gave some good examples of how people could pursue meaningful relationships through shared interests etc. Very helpful.