Schools accused of 'sowing confusion

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Schools accused of 'sowing confusion' in children's minds by over-promoting transgender issues - The Telegraph
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Wtf? Why does the academic quoted in that article think it's feminists that are pushing the trans agenda in schools? Why does she think that challenging sexist stereotypes is the same thing as the trans agenda?

I don't think "Dr Joanna Williams, a university lecturer and author of the book Women vs Feminism" knows what she is talking about if she thinks feminist campaigners are going into schools to promote trans issues. Although I admit that the people involved might identify as feminists...

I've seen this mentioned several times online - feminists support transgenderism.

I can only conclude they are talking about libfems and that they don't understand feminism properly.

I actually think it's fair to say feminists support transgenderism. #nafalt

I'd say the majority of feminists do support it. I think it's seen a s a weird little radfem quirk to not support transgenderism. In fact, there are actually women who identify as radical feminists who support transgenderism.

Nearly all mainstream feminist magazines and online publications have jumped on the bandwagon, Gloria Steinem supports transgenderism and I don't think you can really dismiss her as a libfem.

Most men I talk to in my family lump everything 'non-man' together under 'crazy feminist nonsense' - absolutely they'd assume that it's feminists pushing the trans agenda.

I know what you mean re libfems. It is utterly infuriating though when radical feminism offers the most reasonable, considered and strongest challenge to it too, but mainstream media won't give a platform!

On Steinem - this is the Advocate article where she apologised for what she wrote in 1977.. except, she kinda didn't.

I can get behind what she says - of course everyone, including trans people are entitled to body autonomy, to not be discriminated against.

What I can't get behind, and I note she doesn't say, is that transwomen are women. Because to me, 'Woman' is fundamentally defined by sex, and until someone can come up with a definition for woman that includes both me, and transwomen but excludes men there's nothing to change to - words mean things.

Maria Miller MP is a Conservative and no friend of feminism. She thinks we are bigots who need reeducating to understand the rights of transgender people and why they are more important than ours. She is driving the rrans agenda forwards in the UK.
No, it isnt 'fair' to say feminists support trangenderism. Radical feminists do not. Its not 'dismissing someone' to call them a libfem if thats what they are.

Calling TIMS (Trans identifyng males) 'women' and 'feminists' ends with this sort of confusion. The crime stats are being skewed as well, its a real problem as we keep saying.

If Dr Joanna Williams wants to critisize SJW's and trans activists, why doesnt she just do that instead of making such a hypocritical move as to blame all women, all feminists.
You only have to look at her followers on Twitter to find out who she appeals to. There is an agenda being played out and she is one of the chess pieces.

Maria Miller is pushing the Gender Seklf Identification Bill in the UK. It wont come in via Parliament so she is pushing it through the back door.

Maria Miller makes it clear she does not believe there is any situation in which women should not accept self declared TIMS ins female only spaces.
There is no provision for women in the bill, it rides roughshod over the Equality Act.
Gender self identification is going to be brought in. And as at the moment, it will not require surgery.

P 27, 28, 29
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201516/cmselect/cmwomeq/390/390.pdf

p 12, 13, 14
Recommendation 10
The protected characteristic in respect of trans people under the Equality Act
should be amended to that of “gender identity”. (Paragraph 108)
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/535764/Government_Response_to_the_Women_and_Equalities_Committee_Report_on_Transgender_Equality.pdf

''She praised the “important work” of single-sex services, such as rape crisis centres. “But those sorts of services should be supporting trans women,” she insisted.''
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/maria-miller-says-only-hostility-to-transgender-report-came-from-women-purporting-to-be-feminists-a6830406.html

A group of women who have traced the funding of the Trans movement were no platformed recently. George Soros and Jennifer Pritzker ensure there is all the money for services that support them and their agenda, and none for services where women are harmed.
So they can get surgery and drugs. But they wont fund DV shelters or Rape Crisis.

They have muilti billionaires shaping the Western world. If you want to fight the Trans agenda then do it. You dont have to help them by spreading myths about whose behind it.
Unless thats your agenda.

It's so frustrating. Radfems are being no-platformed and receiving death threats for opposing the trans agenda and then this article appears saying feminists are to blame. Dr Joanna Williams doesn't appear to have done even the barest minimum of reading about the issues.

She doesn't need to, she's just storing the pot.

Its as if the slur TERF was never invented. Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist.

terfisaslur.com/

twitter.com/terfisaslur?lang=en

www.reddit.com/r/terfisaslur/

Radical feminists do not. Its not 'dismissing someone' to call them a libfem if thats what they are. Do you really think steinem is a libfem?

Its as if the slur TERF was never invented. Trans Exclusionary Radical Femi

I don't think people see radfems as feminists though. I think they see it as a "radicalised" feminism like radical Islam. Radfems are man hating baby eaters

actually didn't Dworkin advocate that transwomen were women?
*disclaimer not actually read her, just articles saying as much

'Radical' means 'Root'.
Steinem worked for Esquire and posed for Playboy. She is not a radical feminist.

Thanks for showing who you are. We believe you.

Did Steinem pose for playboy? I've read her expose of playboy and she never mentioned that.

Caitlin Moran is a bit of a poster girl on here (personally I find her immensely irritating) Here is what she says.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/annanorth/why-feminism-cant-afford-to-ignore-transgender-wo

Caitlin Moran, whose 2012 book How to Be a Woman has already become a central text of a certain strain of feminism (and who has been criticized herself for using the word “tranny”), says, “Someone saying to a transgender woman, ‘You’re not a proper woman because you weren’t physically born a woman’ is like someone saying to me that I’m not a proper woman because I’ve had an abortion, or have a job, or can’t walk in heels, or think Ryan Gosling looks like a bit of a donk.” She adds, “I think the relationship between feminism and transgender women should be absolutely sympathetic, arms-slung-around-shoulders and all-on-the-same-side. We’re all gunning for the same thing — equality, feeling comfortable in our own skin, not automatically cringing or feeling unworthy or ‘other.’”

“As far as I’m concerned, everyone’s welcome in the Lady Party,” says Moran. “Pull up a chair.”

And I recall reading an interview with that other pain Judith Butler, which if I understood it (and that is a big if, given how preteniously impenetrable much of what she says is) where she seemed to be saying feminists had misinterpreted her, particularly Sheila Jefferies. And that Butler herself has a fixed gender.

transadvocate.com/gender-performance-the-transadvocate-interviews-judith-butler_n_13652.htm

I did not mean to argue that gender is fluid and changeable (mine certainly is not)

The whole thing is just a nightmare. How we can be throwing women's rights away so casually is beyond belief.

Caitlin Moran can eff off with that chat. Her premise makes literally no sense. Why would having an abortion make you not a woman? It's the trans who think ability to walk in heels is gender defining.

Why would having an abortion make you not a woman?

Needing an abortion is a very sure sign that you are a woman, with no doubt at all.

^'Radical' means 'Root'.Steinem worked for Esquire and posed for Playboy. She is not a radical feminist.Thanks for showing who you are. We believe you.

Did she pose for playboy? She is a journalist and posed as a bunny girl in order to expose the sexism that the women face.

She also founded ms Magazine. To dismiss her because you erroneously thought she posed naked is ridiculous. Although even if she had I don't think that would undo her other works.

As to the "I've shown who I am" nonsense. I think anyone with a tiny bit of sense would know I wasn't actually saying radfems eat babies

I know the word means root, I've also been a regular poster in this board for years. That doesn't mean I'm not aware of the reputation of radical feminism or that it is conflated with other "radical" groups as it was in another current thread.

The point is we cannot dismiss liberal feminists as not 'real feminists'.
If I posted an op asking if I was a feminist I'd be told that if I believe in equality I am a feminist.

That's it. Believe in equality. Liberal feminists do believe in equality, I disagree with the way they go about it and some of their methods, but we're all feminists and can't expect the rest of the world to say "real feminists believe x and libfems believe y"

I don't think Caitlyn Moran actually believes TW are women. If you read any of her books they're entirely about biology and how it's affected her and affects women. I think she's following the 'tw are oppressed so I must be nice' thing