Women's fault they're paid less - yawn, but please share my irritation

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....with this badly researched article: here

it is yet another of those ones where someone says, as if they've made a great discovery, that women earn less because we don't negotiate properly.

whereas if she knew what she was talking about she would know that there is research which shows that it generally just doesn't work (there are refs in the Cordelia Fine book if anyone's interested) because men generally respond badly to women behaving like men.

it's just another bloody example of women being blamed for other people's sexism

I can believe that, Ryuk

Re the pay thing,I know I am not living in the real world ,but this argument that women are payed less than men because they don't ask for more money - so that makes it ok then?

It is entirely justifiable to underpay and exploit people because they are not protesting and asking for more?? And that is is their fault?

(told you I'm not in the real world...)

That's what I think Poggles... It's like they're all patting themslves on the back that they manage to get away with paying people less than they should and come out with flimsy excuses like, "well, they didn't ask "

There's a reasonably good article in Elle magazine this month (sorry don't think it will be available to read online), on this subject (Should women act more like men?). When I first saw it my hackles started to rise, but it did actually mention how women can be seen as pushy and unfeminine when they behave like men, in the context of negotiating pay rises. It's more than I expected from a women's fashion magazine

Thank you, thank you.

Who says we can't have nice wedding dresses AND angry, feminist discourse?

Ryuk - Cordelia Fine also talks about the thing where FTM transexuals discover they suddenly get treated better in the workplace: she quotes one example where the male colleagues commented 'This new guy is much better than his sister, isn't he?'

Pog - 'real world' is an excuse for not dealing with an issue isn't it? yes it would be nice if men and women were paid equally but in the real world.... etc.
So we must not be embarrassed by looking beyond the so-called real world

Marenmj - now I am imagining the dress accessorised by a 'This is what a feminist looks like!' badge