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Harry Says His Fight Against Tabloids Is a 'Central Piece' of Rift with the Royal Family

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popthepopcorns · 25/07/2024 11:49

Is there anyone in the public eye more delusional and lacking in self-awareness than Harry?

The Duke of Sussex, 39, sat down for a new interview for ITV's documentary Tabloids on Trial, premiering on Thursday, July 25. In a preview released a day before the airing, Harry discussed his reasons for publicly pursuing lawsuits against publications over allegations of phone hacking and other unlawful acts — a contrast from his brother, Prince William, who reportedly quietly received a "very large sum of money" in a settlement from News Group Newspapers (NGN) in 2020 amid a claimed "secret agreement" with the royals.
ITV's Rebecca Barry asked Prince Harry in the clip, "To what extent do you think your determination to fight the tabloids destroyed the relationship with your family?"
"I think that's certainly a central piece to it," the Duke of Sussex replied. "That's a hard question to answer because anything I say about my family results in a torrent of abuse from the press."
"I've made it very clear that this is something that needs to be done. It would be nice if we did it as a family," he continued. "I believe that, again, from a service standpoint and when you're in a public role, that these are the things that we should be doing for the greater good. But I'm doing this for my reasons."

Prince Harry Takes Aim at Tabloid Phone Hacking in New Sit-Down Interview for Documentary

Prince Harry will be featured in "Tabloids on Trial," a new documentary about phone hacking from ITV premiering on July 25, alongside Hugh Grant and more.

https://people.com/prince-harry-appear-new-documentary-phone-hacking-hugh-grant-8675884

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salem4cuddles · 09/08/2024 21:56

Why should they be made available?

You didn't experience bullying so others people's experiences aren't valid?

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 09/08/2024 21:58

Why would anyone have a "personality clash" with Meghan unless her personality was bloody horrible?

salem4cuddles · 09/08/2024 21:59

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BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/08/2024 22:05
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”But now, in the newly added epilogue for Finding Freedom: Harry & Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family, authors Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand reveal how Royal staffers requested that their claims be taken back.
"Two of the individuals," the epilogue says, "asked for any allegations made to HR about their experiences with Meghan to be rescinded."

When you are using Scobie and Finding Freedom as your source that Meghan is not a bully you have already lost I’m afraid, they would say the earth is flat if Meghan told them so

And of course there is this reporting (both the writers could be sued if this was incorrect).

So by your reckoning then if no one sues the allegations are true, therefore Meghan and Harry have not sued The Times, Valentine Low, or Tom Bower their claims of her bullying are therefore true.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/08/2024 22:12

So to sum it up @Rosiecheeksandacoldnose Omid Scobie, Meghan’s buddy and a “source close to the couple” say Meghan isn’t a bully. Doesn’t stand up to scrutiny I’m afraid.

IcedPurple · 09/08/2024 22:16

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/08/2024 22:12

So to sum it up @Rosiecheeksandacoldnose Omid Scobie, Meghan’s buddy and a “source close to the couple” say Meghan isn’t a bully. Doesn’t stand up to scrutiny I’m afraid.

And don't forget. She wasn't bullied at work, so that means nobody else possibly could be.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/08/2024 22:24

3. Vertical Upward Bullying

The least recognisable and least reported is Vertical Upward Bullying, when a subordinate bullies a manager or supervisor. Branch et al. identified, because of the lack of formal power, upward bullies are more likely to use covert methods such as rumour, gossip, and withdrawal of information to create the necessary power imbalance to undertake the bullying.

Are you actually claiming that it was the staff who bullied Meghan? @Rosiecheeksandacoldnose 😂😂😂 if so you have really jumped the shark! Your desperation to paint Meghan as a victim is off the scale! Meghan will be very impressed with your endeavours though, she may even give you a gold star ⭐️.

IcedPurple · 09/08/2024 22:28

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Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 09/08/2024 22:28

The least recognisable and least reported is Vertical Upward Bullying, when a subordinate bullies a manager or supervisor. Branch et al. identified, because of the lack of formal power, upward bullies are more likely to use covert methods such as rumour, gossip, and withdrawal of information to create the necessary power imbalance to undertake the bullying.

You could apply that description to Meghan's treatment, both direct and through her minions, of the late Queen, William, Catherine, The Wales children and everyone else she is deeply jealous of in the RF.

smilesy · 10/08/2024 09:33

It is not easy for everyone to manage other people in the workplace. In her defence, Meghan has never had any training for this and so may have thought that shouting at people etc was a sign of someone who is able to “get things done”, a bit like in movies. However, she seems reluctant to take advice or constructive criticism about how things could be done better, and seems oblivious to the fact that her actions may have been a form of bullying, whether intentional or not. Self reflection does not seem to be a strong point for either her or her husband

EmpressOfTheThread · 10/08/2024 09:34

You don't need training to be decent to people, to be respectful and treat them as humans in the workplace.

smilesy · 10/08/2024 09:46

EmpressOfTheThread · 10/08/2024 09:34

You don't need training to be decent to people, to be respectful and treat them as humans in the workplace.

Oh yes. I agree. I was just thinking more that she thought that a shouty style showed that she was in charge. The problem is she does not appear to have modified this behaviour when it was pointed out to her (we know of at least one example when the Queen was unhappy with the way she spoke to staff) and does not seem to have shown any contrition as far as we know. I just think she seems to genuinely believe that throwing your weight about is management

EmpressOfTheThread · 10/08/2024 09:56

It's about arrogance and entitlement, isn't it? Some people think if they get a title, they can behave how they like.

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 10/08/2024 10:00

No, one individual Knauf. He turned the situation into something else entirely.

smilesy · 10/08/2024 10:05

EmpressOfTheThread · 10/08/2024 09:56

It's about arrogance and entitlement, isn't it? Some people think if they get a title, they can behave how they like.

Yes. I think that is a large part of the problem with both Harry and Meghan. Lack of humility

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 10/08/2024 10:11

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 10/08/2024 10:00

No, one individual Knauf. He turned the situation into something else entirely.

diane abbott clapping GIF

Sure

EmpressOfTheThread · 10/08/2024 10:28

smilesy · 10/08/2024 10:05

Yes. I think that is a large part of the problem with both Harry and Meghan. Lack of humility

Plus no self awareness.

EdithWeston · 10/08/2024 10:29

I don't think the sourcing of the accounts that two staff members (of how many complainants) rescinded their complaints is terribly good.

But hypothesising that it's true, that means they must have made those statements in the first place (otherwise there would be nothing to rescind).

And once made, then of course any decent employer must act on them.

Plus of course there was the statement at the end of the investigation that said processes had been amended, which shows that there were still enough non-rescinded matters to be dealt with.

But we don't know the detail of what they were.

It put me in mind of the various scandals about MPs conduct towards staff, which is similar because the MP is in a position from which they cannot be sacked and where there aren't really any sanctions (other than a criminal case or public shaming). And in those circumstances too, the staff still deserve a workplace which is free from bullying.

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 10/08/2024 11:02

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 10/08/2024 10:00

No, one individual Knauf. He turned the situation into something else entirely.

The SS sure do hate Knauf, don't they. I suppose he did expose MM as a liar in a court of law. That will forever stick to her.

Samantha Cohen said working with H&M was like working with teenagers. Her would be replacement quit before she even took the job.

Hot tea thrown at an aid by Meghan on the Australia tour. Another aid in tears in the car at the Fiji market fiasco, when MM was affronted by some present wearing UN Women t-shirts and walked out (being incredibly rude and disrespectful to the hardworking local women who were there to show her their work).

Sending 5am emails and castigating staff if they didn't respond immediately. Harassing another staff member every 5 minutes when she's off the clock and trying to have dinner. Telling a staff member to change a detailed plan at the 11th hour, and, when that staff member told her how difficult that would be, telling her that if she could ask anyone else to do it, she would.

Staff slumped over their desks crying as described by H in Spare.

Neither the Times nor Valentine Low nor Jason Knauf nor Samantha Cohen sued. Funny that.

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 10/08/2024 11:13

In December 2022, one of the former aids told the Times that their confidentiality agreement prevented them from talking. They said that Meghan knows they can't afford to talk, so Meghan keeps pushing. They said it's all a game to her and she enjoys it. They said the only way to put this to bed once and for all was for them to be allowed to speak and for the Palace to release them from their NDAs to do so.

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 10/08/2024 11:18

Oh, what a surprise. My long and polite response to @Applecidervinegar641 has been deleted.

MummyJ12 · 10/08/2024 11:18

I posted the GMA Valentine Low interview on another thread. I hadn’t seen it before. The legal team for the Times ensured that all was sound legally as the couple are so litigious.
I also think that more stories are coming out than ever before. For example the story of Meghan shouting at the CBS producer following last weekend’s interview. They can no longer blame the palace for this.

EmpressOfTheThread · 10/08/2024 11:34

MummyJ12 · 10/08/2024 11:18

I posted the GMA Valentine Low interview on another thread. I hadn’t seen it before. The legal team for the Times ensured that all was sound legally as the couple are so litigious.
I also think that more stories are coming out than ever before. For example the story of Meghan shouting at the CBS producer following last weekend’s interview. They can no longer blame the palace for this.

They'll probably try 🙄

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 10/08/2024 11:40

MummyJ12 · 10/08/2024 11:18

I posted the GMA Valentine Low interview on another thread. I hadn’t seen it before. The legal team for the Times ensured that all was sound legally as the couple are so litigious.
I also think that more stories are coming out than ever before. For example the story of Meghan shouting at the CBS producer following last weekend’s interview. They can no longer blame the palace for this.

Nor can they blame the press for her conduct pre her RF days. Her conduct on the Reitman's shoot, for example. She's a nasty piece of work, always was and always will be. Just like her husband. Like all successful narcs, she has just enough superficial charm to fool the gullible and act the victim when she needs to. And her venality and complete absence of principles or values make her a useful tool for criminals and opportunistic, authoritarian politicians. She's in good company there.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/08/2024 11:47

The SS sure do hate Knauf, don't they. I suppose he did expose MM as a liar in a court of law. That will forever stick to her

I mentioned this yesterday, @Theinflictuswithrictusgames, though without a reference to the "SS"

As said it's very obvious that some can't forgive him for exposing her beyond doubt, but what I've never been clear on is why he should take the blame rather than the person who lied in the first place - maybe it's a question of "whatever it takes" when it comes to defending the indefensible?

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