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Harry Says His Fight Against Tabloids Is a 'Central Piece' of Rift with the Royal Family

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popthepopcorns · 25/07/2024 11:49

Is there anyone in the public eye more delusional and lacking in self-awareness than Harry?

The Duke of Sussex, 39, sat down for a new interview for ITV's documentary Tabloids on Trial, premiering on Thursday, July 25. In a preview released a day before the airing, Harry discussed his reasons for publicly pursuing lawsuits against publications over allegations of phone hacking and other unlawful acts — a contrast from his brother, Prince William, who reportedly quietly received a "very large sum of money" in a settlement from News Group Newspapers (NGN) in 2020 amid a claimed "secret agreement" with the royals.
ITV's Rebecca Barry asked Prince Harry in the clip, "To what extent do you think your determination to fight the tabloids destroyed the relationship with your family?"
"I think that's certainly a central piece to it," the Duke of Sussex replied. "That's a hard question to answer because anything I say about my family results in a torrent of abuse from the press."
"I've made it very clear that this is something that needs to be done. It would be nice if we did it as a family," he continued. "I believe that, again, from a service standpoint and when you're in a public role, that these are the things that we should be doing for the greater good. But I'm doing this for my reasons."

Prince Harry Takes Aim at Tabloid Phone Hacking in New Sit-Down Interview for Documentary

Prince Harry will be featured in "Tabloids on Trial," a new documentary about phone hacking from ITV premiering on July 25, alongside Hugh Grant and more.

https://people.com/prince-harry-appear-new-documentary-phone-hacking-hugh-grant-8675884

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salem4cuddles · 09/08/2024 19:14

@BigWillyLittleTodger You couldn't make it up!

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 09/08/2024 19:25

MummyJ12 · 09/08/2024 18:27

@Rosiecheeksandacoldnose I agree completely with you on the report. It should absolutely be released. I can’t imagine why they wouldn’t release it. I’m sure the previous employees involved would support the findings being made public. Do we know if they themselves know what’s in the report?

I also agree to an extent that there will be extremists in the SS and some who are more moderate in their support.
I do wish that Harry and Meghan would speak out against the extreme examples then. Including Bouzy who they have engaged the services of previously. It feels very cult like. There was a previous member who has spoken out about her experiences, both while part of the Sussex Squad and the bullying and harassment of her following leaving it. She exposed their tactics and they work as an organisation.
It makes me wonder if this is why Meghan and Harry don’t speak out about them. It would also feel like absolutely everyone is against them then, and they’d rather the support of people who don’t necessarily conduct themselves well rather than have no support at all. I also can only imagine how bad it would be if the squad were to turn against them. The squad are pretty scary.

I agree that it would be helpful to speak about trolling by all people online not just the SS. I think they have spoken about this subject extensively but not specifically about any one group of bullies. Their advocacy work in this area is well documented.

If they want the report released they must know that the findings were favourable to them. Fingers crossed it comes out at some point down the line.

I know who Bouzy is, don’t like him and he has a few extremist types he keeps close. He is someone who most people ignore now, I think. I know I do. He does say nasty things and on him in particular I wish they would say something. He dines out to this day on his 15 minutes of fame. Yawns. Meghan and Harry have plenty of mainstream supporters outside of this group so I don’t think they need to worry about fandom. They seem to be happy and busy. That is what is important. I hope healing is something they truly want. It does not look good if you set up camp in the misery zone. If they carry on doing better and stay with worthwhile projects and try to grow new businesses then that would be a good outcome all round.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/08/2024 19:48

@Rosiecheeksandacoldnose
If they want the report released they must know that the findings were favourable to them. Fingers crossed it comes out at some point down the line.

You keep saying this and myself and several other posters have asked for a reputable link to your claim, where is this information?, you are adamant so please provide the link that no one else can find.

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 09/08/2024 19:55

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 09/08/2024 19:25

I agree that it would be helpful to speak about trolling by all people online not just the SS. I think they have spoken about this subject extensively but not specifically about any one group of bullies. Their advocacy work in this area is well documented.

If they want the report released they must know that the findings were favourable to them. Fingers crossed it comes out at some point down the line.

I know who Bouzy is, don’t like him and he has a few extremist types he keeps close. He is someone who most people ignore now, I think. I know I do. He does say nasty things and on him in particular I wish they would say something. He dines out to this day on his 15 minutes of fame. Yawns. Meghan and Harry have plenty of mainstream supporters outside of this group so I don’t think they need to worry about fandom. They seem to be happy and busy. That is what is important. I hope healing is something they truly want. It does not look good if you set up camp in the misery zone. If they carry on doing better and stay with worthwhile projects and try to grow new businesses then that would be a good outcome all round.

Bouzy is famous because of Harry and Meghan. He was one of their stars in the Netflix document. He created a report claiming Meghan had experienced harassment on Twitter, a report that was subsequently debunked. He is still very much in their camp, and until very recently, was absolutely gunning for Catherine and holding meetings with the other Sussex Squad members - who are also "extremist types". You can try to disassociate him from the Sussexes, but he is at the heart of their machine.

Rhaidimiddim · 09/08/2024 19:55

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Wellieswithsocks · 09/08/2024 19:58

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 09/08/2024 19:25

I agree that it would be helpful to speak about trolling by all people online not just the SS. I think they have spoken about this subject extensively but not specifically about any one group of bullies. Their advocacy work in this area is well documented.

If they want the report released they must know that the findings were favourable to them. Fingers crossed it comes out at some point down the line.

I know who Bouzy is, don’t like him and he has a few extremist types he keeps close. He is someone who most people ignore now, I think. I know I do. He does say nasty things and on him in particular I wish they would say something. He dines out to this day on his 15 minutes of fame. Yawns. Meghan and Harry have plenty of mainstream supporters outside of this group so I don’t think they need to worry about fandom. They seem to be happy and busy. That is what is important. I hope healing is something they truly want. It does not look good if you set up camp in the misery zone. If they carry on doing better and stay with worthwhile projects and try to grow new businesses then that would be a good outcome all round.

If they want the report released they must know that the findings were favourable to them. Fingers crossed it comes out at some point down the line.

What’s this revisionism? They’ve never wanted the report to be released - from the few snippets of info we know about the (multiple) bullied employees who left their employ, the full details would likely be enough to annihilate Meghan Markle’s reputation once and for all.

I’ve noticed this tactic before from Harry and Meghan supporters- a common propaganda technique - introducing blatantly false claims in a casual way to try to muddy the waters & rewrite history. The Vintage Read YouTuber touched upon this in the video someone here shared yesterday.

I know who Bouzy is, don’t like him and he has a few extremist types he keeps close. He is someone who most people ignore now, I think. I know I do. He does say nasty things and on him in particular I wish they would say something.

As if they would say something about him! They are absolutely complicit in his activities.

If they carry on doing better and stay with worthwhile projects and try to grow new businesses then that would be a good outcome all round.

Carry on doing better? They aren’t doing better - their latest project involved shamelessly taking advantage of grieving parents to promote censorship and raise money for their dubious ‘Archwell’ organisation

Mylovelygreendress · 09/08/2024 20:00

@Rosiecheeksandacoldnose

Me again . I have had a look and can find absolutely no report that H and M wanted the bullying report released . Can you post a link please ?

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/08/2024 20:02

@Wellieswithsocks
I’ve noticed this tactic before from Harry and Meghan supporters- a common propaganda technique - introducing blatantly false claims in a casual way to try to muddy the waters & rewrite history. The Vintage Read YouTuber touched upon this in the video someone here shared yesterday.

It’s constant, all these false claims dressed up as fact and they are never backed up despite repeated requests, all they do is repeat the lie again in their next post.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/08/2024 20:03

Mylovelygreendress · 09/08/2024 20:00

@Rosiecheeksandacoldnose

Me again . I have had a look and can find absolutely no report that H and M wanted the bullying report released . Can you post a link please ?

I have also repeatedly asked and I am still waiting.

EdithWeston · 09/08/2024 20:04

I think it is entirely correct that the bullying report is never published, and never emerges in an underhand way. Because staff need to be able to talk in complete confidence, and without fear that they will be publicly identified during or at the end-point of a bullying claim.

I have no recollection of H&M or their preferred mouthpieces saying the Sussexes want it published. It would be very wrong of them, to seek to undermine under English employment best practice (and possibly law). And it is a shame some people have such a low opinion of H&M that they think they would seek to circumvent that.

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 09/08/2024 20:12

I agree @EdithWeston . First and foremost, that report and consequent actions following its findings must support the victims - who were the staff, not H&M. Even if you are completely vindicated in an employment law complaint, the stigma of being involved in a dispute can follow you to your next job - especially in a very niche industry where being robust and able to put up with high pressured situations is vital. For some employers, the line between high pressure expectations and bullying is a fine one. If their names got out into the public sphere, not only would their future employment prospects be damaged, but they would undoubtedly be hounded and doxxed by the Sussex Squad. There's almost no question about that happening.

Ohpleeeease · 09/08/2024 20:19

Releasing the bullying report would expose the employees comcerned. Much as we might be interested in the findings, those people have been through enough without having to face the venom and lunacy of the Sussex Squad.

I have no doubt bullying took place because Harry describes their team’s working environment in Spare. “Nerves were shattering, people were sniping. In such a climate there was no such thing as constructive criticism. All feedback was seen as an affront, an insult. More than once a staff member slumped across their desk and wept.”

BigWillyLittleTodger · 09/08/2024 20:49

A source close to the couple isn’t good enough, that isn’t a reputable source, I was expecting something from Archewell or Sussex Royal, something official not a puff piece from a random at Elle magazine.

salem4cuddles · 09/08/2024 20:49

That's a source in Elle magazine fgs

salem4cuddles · 09/08/2024 20:52

I've yet to see any evidence where they have directly asked for the report to be published

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 09/08/2024 20:55

So an actual, named spokesman for the RF says we are not releasing the report. And a "source close to the couple" say they are disappointed that the results are not being released. That's not proof of any desire on the part of the Sussexes to have the report published. At best, it's an easy statement to leak when the intention not to release it has been made definitively and you are not going to be exposed for the bullies you are.

EdithWeston · 09/08/2024 20:59

Some of the wording is interesting. Not the waffle about a source close to H&M saying they're disappointed, but the bit about how the investigation wasn't in to the Duchess, as she's not staff (and by implication cannot be sanctioned or sacked). Instead the only official comment, from Keeper of the Privy Purse, was:
"I can confirm though that it was a review of the handling of the allegations aimed at enabling the royal households to consider potential improvements to HR policies and procedures,” Stevens continued. “The review has been completed and recommendations on our policies and procedures have been taken forward, but we will not be commenting further.”

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 09/08/2024 21:00

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 09/08/2024 20:47

And proves nothing other than Jack Royston's opinions, guesses and speculation on the matter.

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 09/08/2024 21:10

I also hold Knauf entirely responsible for introducing an egregious harm against Meghan by using the word ‘bully’ in his email. This was sneaky for it went behind her back and quite clearly the ploy was to reach William’s ears. Upward bullying tactic of the first order.

“3. Vertical Upward Bullying

“The least recognisable and least reported is Vertical Upward Bullying, when a subordinate bullies a manager or supervisor. Branch et al. identified, because of the lack of formal power, upward bullies are more likely to use covert methods such as rumour, gossip, and withdrawal of information to create the necessary power imbalance to undertake the bullying.

Previous research has identified gender can play a factor. For example, some subordinates not recognising the legitimacy of the female boss. This finding was noted in the 2021 House of Commons Defence Committee (HCDC) report, where “overt hostility towards, and bullying of, women (often first into post)” was reported by interviewees.

Zapf et al. reviewed the empirical evidence on the prevalence of workplace bullying and the perpetrators. They found “64.5% were bullied by supervisors, 39.4% were bullied by colleagues, and 9.7% were bullied by subordinates”, leading to the assumption “generally, superiors are seldom bullied by subordinates”.

Since perpetrators of bullying are predominantly assumed to be in a position of power, there appears to be limited support or lack of understanding for managers when they are a target of upwards bullying. This can result in the “bullies receiving support from higher management” rather than the manager (target), and due to this lack of support, managers are more likely to leave the organisation than reach a resolution. Managers are also less likely to report the bullying as they do not want to be seen as a failure and feel it is a reflection on them. Research has also found perpetrators of Upward Bullying can and do use the internal grievance system to target their managers.”

Knauf behaved unprofessionally in what was an unhappy, toxic environment. And has since been rewarded, sadly.

https://bfi.co.uk/blog/bosses-get-bullied-too-exploring-upward-bullying/

Speakers' Corner | Bosses Get Bullied Too: Exploring Upward Bullying | bfi.co.uk

We explore what we mean by upward, downward and vertical bullying, why definitions matter, the HR risk factors and the effectiveness of workplace policies and procedures. Full article

https://bfi.co.uk/blog/bosses-get-bullied-too-exploring-upward-bullying

Rhaidimiddim · 09/08/2024 21:12

Theinflictuswithrictusgames · 09/08/2024 20:55

So an actual, named spokesman for the RF says we are not releasing the report. And a "source close to the couple" say they are disappointed that the results are not being released. That's not proof of any desire on the part of the Sussexes to have the report published. At best, it's an easy statement to leak when the intention not to release it has been made definitively and you are not going to be exposed for the bullies you are.

H&M - hearing that the report is not going to be published - are hardly going to be quoted as saying "Phew, thank God for that!"
Typo edits.

Rosiecheeksandacoldnose · 09/08/2024 21:20

And of course there is this reporting (both the writers could be sued if this was incorrect).

”But now, in the newly added epilogue for Finding Freedom: Harry & Meghan and the Making of a Modern Royal Family, authors Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand reveal how Royal staffers requested that their claims be taken back.
"Two of the individuals," the epilogue says, "asked for any allegations made to HR about their experiences with Meghan to be rescinded."

The epilogue also addressed the Palace's investigation into the claims: "Employees who worked for Harry and Meghan [were] invited to give testimony about her alleged behaviour in the workplace (a move also welcomed by the Sussexes, who sources said hoped the process would 'shed light on the reality of these rumours')."

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a37450741/royal-staffers-reportedly-rescind-meghan-markle-bullying-claims/

Royal staff have reportedly taken back Meghan Markle bullying claims

The information came to light in the newly added epilogue for Finding Freedom

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a37450741/royal-staffers-reportedly-rescind-meghan-markle-bullying-claims

salem4cuddles · 09/08/2024 21:20

@Rosiecheeksandacoldnose Are you just making things up as you go along?

salem4cuddles · 09/08/2024 21:22

If that report had been in anyway positive for Meghan and Harry then it's likely a " source" would have leaked it

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