MAFS - WITH spoilers ***** do not read if you DONT want spoilers!!*****

[gingerbreadtea]

Basically, im on episode 23 and cant keep
It in.
Olivia - pure, pure evil
Dom - was wrong to smash glass but has called out every abusive/shit character on it.
Tamara - really growing on me which has suprised me
Al - lovely
Samantha - did anyone else not think that what she did to him over the kiss was fucked up?
Ella - best person in there and only person who was interested in a true version of what happened at girls night: shes my fave.
Im sure this may all change again, but cannot explain the contempt i have for olivia right now!

It’s been taken down Wouldn't that only make sense if it was in one place? I.e. hadn't been shared by anyone anywhere?

That was disappointing . Olivia really didn't get what she'd done wrong and for Jackson to stick by her- absolute mug. Really hope he has watched the actual footage by now and seen what a shit stirrer she is

Yeah, I agree with PPs.

I also note the use of the phrase, "that was hectic" to mean something like "that was crazy".

Jackson… how did the behaviour at the gym and in front of his friends suddenly become a ‘fantastic’ week?
A. Stockholm Syndrome
B. Playing it safe now she knows where he lives & goes to the gym
C. Not actually as nice as he first appeared
D. Editing

Yeah i agree about Jackson - what the hell
Is going on there? Another example of where if the roles were reversed (I'm your world now) and it was a man saying to a woman, it would surely have been called out as unacceptable?
I have no idea whats going on in his head, but personally i dont think he looks comfortable with it - he just doesnt want to rock the boat. Could all be in the editing though like you say.

@peggypogpeg

Psychopathy is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of empathy and remorse, shallow affect, glibness, manipulation and callousness.

I was kind of surprised the experts didn't throw that definition at Olivia when she was on the couch!

Yeah, I don't know what's going on with Jackson. Please let there be a Reunion show.

I wouldn't want to be in Olivia's shoes today.

I'm just about to watch it, wish me luck

@Ozmi

I'm just about to watch it, wish me luck

Be warned, you may feel like screaming into a cushion or punching the tv when Olivia squeals "I'm in a bad mood now" because she's been told off.

The experts did not roast Olivia as much as she deserved. She’s the literal definition of a shit stirrer/grenade thrower. Jackson has Stockholm Syndrome. They really should have asked him how he’d feel if nude photos of his sisters had been circulated - he really didn’t seem to grasp what was wrong with it all.

I love Al, I’m sad he’s going. He wasn’t right for Sam but it was hypocritical every time she whined he wasn’t ambitious or grown up enough for her when she managed a clothes shop and he owned his own business and two properties!

So disappointing. I got the impression John just checked out in utter disgust when Jackson and Olivia were on the couch. It’s unbelievable that so many of them seem unable to see the issue, there’s real immaturity in that group.

Olivia? I have no words. I can only think Jackson’s brain is in his trousers.

Do you think they've gone softly on Olivia to make for an explosive final vows as Jackson dumps her at the last hurdle? For a man who spent his youth protecting his sisters from his dm's abusive relationship, I find it hard to believe he'll stay with her. I hope there's a reunion at the end and Oliva & the other badly behaved ones are shown out-takes of themselves.

I think the ixperts handled it quite well to be honest.
Getting her to foolishly admit that she has no empathy and making her cry was good work.
What I was surprised about was when they asked the group and not one of them said they thought it was wrong to share the pics behind her back. Even Ella kept quiet.
Olivia in her frumpy white dress juts looks like the insecure jealous woman that she is. Loathsome woman.

Ella was fine keeping quiet. She nailed her colours to the mast very clearly at the dinner party, she didn’t need to do it again.

Was I the only one thinking that Cody should have given his flowers and apologetic note to Dom?

No, think a couple of us said earlier he should have apologised to her too.

Yes he should have. He made himself look very immature at the dinner party.
Olivia shows her nastiness in her face doesn't she?.All pinched and sour.

Look at Mel and John's body language!

Urgh. That was frustrating viewing. I think Jackson has got his wires crossed about how this works. He has probably seen previous series where couples fight and backstab and has got the message that you should defend your partner even when they are being an absolute shitbag. He thinks he's being a good husband, but being a good husband should never mean dropping your personal ethics and supporting a bully. Olivia got off far too lightly. She will think that she got away with it and lives to fight another day. Pay lip service to 'self reflection' while thinking she's completely in the right.

Yes to PPs who have said that Cody should have apologised to Dom. I think that reflects badly on both him and Selina. Firstly, that Cody didn't see the need to do that himself and secondly, that Selina didn't say 'never mind me, where are Dom's flowers?!' and, instead, went all gooey and 'isn't he lovely?'

I find the next bit the most dull part of the whole ixperiment. The final dates are usually boring (apart from that one with Mike and Heidi when he got it totally wrong and then ignored her completely while climbing the rigging - clown) and I don't like the final vows either. I tend to skip through to the decision on each one and look forward to the aftermath episodes.

I think that reflects badly on both him and Selina. Firstly, that Cody didn't see the need to do that himself and secondly, that Selina didn't say 'never mind me, where are Dom's flowers?!' and, instead, went all gooey and 'isn't he lovely?'

I agree. I was waiting for her to say that and was disappointed that she didn’t.

Oh and apart from the obvious 'I don't have it in me (empathy)' from Olivia, the bit that made me say 'Just Fuck Off' out loud to the cat, was when she was whining on about hating 'being dragged into drama'

??!!

Dragged into drama you've entirely manufactured?!

Does she know it's being filmed and we can all see exactly what happened?!

Haha @lifeissweet I did the same! (Minus the cat)

I love Alessandra, I particularly liked it when she said to Olivia something like maybe there is some scope for self reflection...

As for Selina, I feel sorry for her, she seems ridiculously grateful for v little from Cody. I can't imagine wanting to be with a man who behaved like that at the dinner party and certainly if they then didn't do anything to make up for it.

And Jackson, how can he say that she is such a wonderful person?

@Ozmi

Do you think they've gone softly on Olivia to make for an explosive final vows as Jackson dumps her at the last hurdle? For a man who spent his youth protecting his sisters from his dm's abusive relationship, I find it hard to believe he'll stay with her. I hope there's a reunion at the end and Oliva & the other badly behaved ones are shown out-takes of themselves.

Jackson and Olivia are still together. He relocated to he with her.

Ooh, spoilers on the spoilers thread?!

Um well yes.

Ella and Mitch split up too and it seems Tamara and Mitch are now together.

Well, that’s good. It’s saves me having to watch the rest of the series.

I have found my people! Late to the party, but happy to be here at last.
Jackson really needs lose the blinkers and stop tolerating Liv's psychopathic behaviour, otherwise I see them 5 years down the line torturing strangers in the cellar and distributing their body parts around Oz.
And I want Dom as my bestie.