Doctor Who Geeks , new thread!

[TheAngelshavetheOod]

Hope no one else hasn't started one

cakebot River got to 1938 but the TARDIS couldn't. She said that it was because the vortex manipulator could sneak through

[RustyBear]

She might have known that she didn't see them again, without knowing what had happened - she's not exactly living backwards, as she lives through each episode the same way the others do.

I think of each adventure as one of those travelator things that you get in airports and the Doctor starts from one end and River from the other and both jump on and meet at the same place, but then they travel together the same way for a while. But whether all the different travelators are in a linear sequence with the doctor starting on the first and River on the last or whether they are dotted around time, I'm not sure...

[CaseyShraeger]

Their timelines aren't going in strictly opposite directions, just out-of-kilter eith each other. The first time the Doctor meets River is in Silence in The Library, while the first time River meets the Doctor is either as a child in the spacesuit in The Impossible Astronaut (if you can call that 'meeting') or in Let's Kill Hitler, and the current storylines are later than those in both their timelines, so it's clearly not a simple opposite-direction thing (also when the Doctor first met River she was Professor Song, then (from his POV) she was Doctor Song, then she was Ms Song, tben she was Doctor Song again and now she's Professor Song once more).

[Pixel]

Ok Rusty, that makes sense... I think!

[SoupDragon]

So if River is going kind of backwards... last week was the first time she met the Ponds. Which it clearly wasn't

I think they've ditched that aspect of the storyline TBH or softened it with a large hammer. There hasn't been any mention of "spoilers" for some time has there?

[TalTangerine]

Soup, the first time she met the Ponds was as a child, because she grows up with them.

River chronology here: io9.com/5845981/river-songs-chronology-on-doctor-who-from-rivers-own-point-of-view

[DinosaursOnASpaceship]

I am still confused

When the doctor meets the River in previous episodes she says she always meets him as he's getting younger and she is getting older so there must be a mid point I suppose where they both know how each other is but not what's going to happen, maybe this was it. She could have dropped him a few hints though, in the library maybe "hey sweetie stay away from New York "

Seeing their relationship now makes watching the library so sad, poor river, dying for the man she loves and him not even knowing to say goodbye. The doctor must know how she dies? Having seen it already, you would just want to try and stop it - all that time can be rewritten stuff. Or is death a fixed point? He got round that though so surely he could've give her advance warning and put her in one of those tele-wotsits that he was in when he 'died'

[SoupDragon]

Exactly, TalTangerine, so it all makes no sense whatsoever now - unless they've pretty much ditched that aspect of the story.

[BiscuitCrumbsInBed]

Nooo Tangerine that's not what I want to hear! DW is no place for sexual adventures, I raised my eyebrows when it was even mentioned that River had been conceived in the tardis on Rory and amy's wedding night! (not such a prude in real life I promise, just associate DW with kids and being a bit innocent...)

And so is River's death in the library a fixed point? Surely the Doctor can change it or at least hint heavily that it's not a good idea to visit the library...??

[cakebot]

I think if he does that, he changes his own history, as that is where they first meet, so he can't do that. Although I think a lot of the River story was written without any intention of it carrying on as long as it has. The 'saving' on the computer now seems like a poor thing to do to the love of your life when he could have come up with a million other solutions, whereas at the time it was quite touching. The whole backwards order thing didn't need to be in there. It makes no sense and would have been much better if they were just meeting in a jumbled up order. I choose to ignore the 'backwards' aspect, as it makes more sense if they are just meeting in the wrong order. Sometimes backwards, sometimes forwards, like in the original 'Time Travellers Wife.

[wem]

These threads absolutely do my head in, but somebody mentioned Amy's glasses, so had to share my theory about them. The doctor tried them on at some point and they suited him way more than her so I reckon they were designed for him and will be turning up in the future as a regular Pond memento.

[melodyangel]

The glasses looked like the ones MS wore for Bert and Dickie.

[musicmadness]

I think that the idea with River is that they meet predominantly back to front, but that's just a general trend, so there are plenty of times when they meet where they both know each other too. Considering River could regenerate before LKH we have no idea how old she really is. She could be hundreds of years old and have decades (at least) of adventures with the doctor.

From what we have seen I think her timeline is;
Lets kill Hitler -> the Wedding of River Song -> A good man goes to war -> Impossible Astronaut -> Pandorica -> Time of Angels -> Manhattan -> Library.
It can't be completely back to front or they would never have any shared memories and there would be no need for the diaries.

I clearly have spent far too much time thinking about this!

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

Thanks music. Think the BBC should release a River box set!

[Eggrules]

MS Dr Who is being shown from the beginning on Watch. It's on series link and I'm going to try to keep track, second time around.

[TheAngelshavetheOod]

Don't have watch :(

I used to like watching the old ones on Uk gold at the weekend in the morning.

[Eggrules]

Poor you Angels. Oh I loved it.

I think I should have started from CE and worked my way up. I like the vibe from the 9th Doctor onwards. I like companions being integral, especially strong female characters. I remembered why I liked Amy; this relationship is the antithesis of Martha and DrDTs.

Interesting viewing. I forgot that 'The Pandorica will be the opened and the Silence will end' was in the first episode.

[snapespeare]

it's ALL OK!!

[CaseyShraeger]

Love the idea of the Brian and Anthony show...

[mynameis]

Just watched the storyboard. Aww it's lovely

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

Yeah, it was

[LiviaAugusta]

Crying buckets now, wish they'd filmed it. Wasn't that affected by TATM but this...

[SoggyMoggy]

Agh! Add me to the 'Film this! Yesterday!' camp.

I love a good sweetness induced tear jerker, so I'm both thrilled and a total smeary mess at the moment.

[TheAngelshavetheOod]

I can't see the storyboard?

[TheDoctrineOfSnatch]

Search BBC Doctor Who and play "PS" on the clips selection.

[SoggyMoggy]

'I miss everything about you.' That does me in each time, as well as the second 'I miss you.'