I need a cheap but good eyeliner pencil.

[lucysmam]

Not liquid or gel...I can't for the life of me make those do what I want

Where, or what brand, is my best bet?

I have many eyeliner pencils :) My recommendations would be Kiko if you're in London. Gosh in Superdrug are very good too (velvet touch I think). The Essence kohl ones in Wilkos are not bad and really good value.

Rimmel 'Scandaleyes' pencil is very good

I recently bought a Rimmel eyeliner pencil that I am pleased with. It's called Exaggerate waterproof eye definer but it's just a pencil with a smudging sponge tip on one end. It comes in several colours including black etc but I went for a bright blue as it was for holiday use. HTH.

Maybemyrtle Isn't Essence make up
very good for the price.
Their mascara in the orange tube is super though not quite as good as my Chanel volume one.
I'll try their eyeliner pencil on your advice.

Superdrug MUA is what i use i very rarely wear make up these days but i bought an eyeliner there for a party and love it been using it a lot

No Kiko unfortunately, I have seen their stuff well reviewed.

I'll have a look at Essence in Wilko and Rimmel - I think they have a stand in there too.

I don't think I've tried MUA eyeliners MrsJay, I'll drag the girls in there too

The dd loves MUA stuff

rimmel or mua in superdrug. both are very good, especially the rimmel scandeleyes ones

I'd second the Gosh pencils. They're nice and soft and don't tug at the skin.

Barry M are amazing! Cheap too and normally on a 3 for 2 in boots.

Bourjois "kohl and contour" - it's got a sharpener built into the lid. 20 years of wearing black eyeliner every day and this one is my fave, lasts all day

I have both the essence gel liner and the Charlotte tilbury pencil on the go at the moment - I find myself reaching for the essence (£2.30) more than the Charlotte T (£19!)...

I haven't actually tried them yet, but Sali Hughes recommends Top Shop.

Sugartees apparently Bourjois and Chanel are made in the same factory.

Ooh really? Feel all posh now

No7 ones are fab for being gentle but have strong colours and good staying power.

BarryM

Very soft, no drag on my elderly eyes
Love the Metallic ones
Very good price, often on 3 for 2

Not animal tested

Gotta luv a bit of Barry

(I found the No7 ones in my Christmas Advent were really hard )

Also going to say Barry M, particularly the waterproof metallic ones such as "Gun Metal", I'm on my third of that one!

I need soft ones aswell.
Which soft ones do you recommend and are they available locally rather than having to go into London?

No 7 ( without Advent calendar ) are very soft I found - and I've tried loads of eye pencils. But there are different types in their range so test them on your hand.
If you have sensitive eyes be careful with glittery eye pencils because the glittery bits, though tiny, can irritate the eyes.

The M&S autograph Kohl pencil is quite soft, and doesn't irritate my sensitive eyes.