Mascara/eyeliner that won't smudge under my eyes?

[OPeaches]

I use Lancôme pencil eyeliner underneath my lash line and various different mascara a, usually either Bad Gal, They're Real or Lancôme hypnose. Every day by lunchtime I have grey smudges under my eyes. I've tried using concealer underneath, as well as Benefit Stay Don't Stray. I have normal skin, not dry, not greasy.

What am I doing wrong?

Maybe your eyes are too moist rather than the eyeliner. Personally I only have to wipe away Rimmel about twice a day...more often if I'm scrunching my eyes up from tiredness/stress.

I've been recommended nars eyeliner for this.

Worth a try?

I use Boots No 7 mascara in a gold tube that is marketed as no smudge. It definitely doesn't smudge but does feel a bit crispy. If you cry, it comes off in little lumps, so don't cry. I also use a little pot of eyeliner from pound land called chit chat that you put on with a little brush. It's the best I've ever used and stays put all day without smudging. I am a newly converted make up cheapskate.

All of the rest of my makeup is Bobbi Brown, but I've never found a better smudge-proof mascara than the Body Shop.

I find Benefit stuff in general to be horribly overrated and found the mascara smudgy/melty. In fact I tried a lot of expensive ones and they were all as bad. I went back to Max Factor 2000 Calorie. NO SMUDGY/MELTY!

For eyeliner, you could try Avon Supershock gel pencil in black, but I don't know if it would be too black for you. As long as it's not on the waterline and just underneath it should stay put.

Hourglass gel eyeliner does not shift.

Thanks for all the replies! I particularly like the the cheap suggestions!

Would gel eyeliners look too harsh though? It's a soft line I put under my lash line. Definitely not water line, was that not outlawed in the 90s?!

I never put mascara on the bottom lashes.

I use Avon Glimmerstick on my bottom and top lash lines and it lasts amazingly well. Plus it's only £6, but I bulk buy when it's £3.

I use black but a lady at work I recommended it to uses the brown which is softer.

Do you put eyeliner under bottom lashes valium? I think my eyes would look unfinished if I didn't.

No, the gel is the least harsh of any I've used. The tiny brush makes it easy to get a thin, soft line. It's actually quite hard to build up enough depth of colour to go for the really harsh evil-crow look of the early 90s! Anyway, for a pound, you can chuck it you don't like it.

Yes I do wear liner. Sometimes I think mascara on the bottom lashes looks a bit spidery imo.

Barry M pencil eyeliners. There waterproof. It goes on like a pencil and you can smudge it if you want a smokey look etc but then it stays putt. Amazing stuff and only 2/3£!

use eyeshadow instead (or put over the eyeliner) use a tiny brush to make sure it's close, lancome have a great brush for this.

Barry M? Oo must check that out, thanks for the tip

Estee Lauder mascara is the only one that doesn't smudge under my eyes. And I use a liquid eyeliner rather than kohl/pencil

I am currently wearing a Barry M eyeliner, it's FAB

No7 Extreme Length doesn't smudge and builds brilliantly for volume .

I don't wear eyeliner, I use a flat angled brush that's damp with eyeshadow and line with that, it's softer.

I love Barry M ( especially the bold metals) but they are the smudgiest ones I know - which I like. I use under the eye and in the inner lid. Alot of pencils can't do this.

I don't wear mascara on the bottom - my lower lashes are long and my dear older sister pointed out I looked like I had my "eyes on up-side down" .

I use Mally mascara -it stays put (and makes my rather rubbishy eyelashes look good)

Is that the waterproof ones? It's staying put atm...

Try barry m liquid eyeliner and bojoius clubbing mascara.
Both stay put on me even through sweating through fitness class, boxing and wrestling with my head on someone elses chest.
I doubt you'll need even half the staying power i do!
Infact they last long after all the other make up has slid off my face, this is from applying them at 7/8am and removing my make up at 11/12am. Not a smudge.

The BarryM ones have 'waterproof' eyeliner on the details but they are metallic rather than the matte , so maybe they have less stay put power.
But as they are only a couple of pounds, great colours ( I have grey and purple, today I bought silver and dark blue) and are bunny friendly, I'll go with that